(July 27, 2017 at 10:11 am)Brian37 Wrote:(July 27, 2017 at 9:57 am)Astonished Wrote: Agreed on deism, but Jefferson also had that hero-worship complex about Jeebus that Droppin' Loads has.
He saw Jesus as a philosopher, not a man with super powers. He saw him as being like Plato or Socrates. I would have to disagree with that too but still. Neither Plato or Socrates sold a authoritarian figure but the Jesus character no matter how kind many try to paint him, is still under himself/God who does have the final rule.
It would not surprise me one bit if Jefferson or Paine for that matter were alive today and could see all the modern technology and science would ditch even deism considering how much they valued the natural world and science. But back then they were also playing politics and even personally, even the most intellectual humans can be held hostage by the fear of being wrong and punished in an afterlife.
Little known French figure Paul Heinrich Dietrich or Baron d'Holbach, was even far more direct and blunt about a god or gods not existing than Jefferson. He really is considered by many atheist historians to be the catalyst to the modern atheist movement. Now don't get me wrong, I would never paint him as a prophet, but extremely intuitive for his time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_d%27Holbach
It's hard to take it seriously from a guy who owned slaves (and illegitimately fathered children with at least one of them). Hardly makes sense for him to re-write the story of Jeebus as a moral teacher when his own morals are so fucked-up.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.