RE: To our Muslim/Christian members & all faiths....
July 28, 2017 at 7:32 pm
(This post was last modified: July 28, 2017 at 7:40 pm by Brian37.)
(July 28, 2017 at 6:28 pm)Succubus Wrote:(July 28, 2017 at 6:04 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Believing in creationism is not an essential doctrine of the Christian faith. Also you don't need to be a theist to have doubts about evolution. Case in point, Thomas Nagel's "Mind & Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature is Almost Certainly False" You can find it HERE
Thomas Nagel is a philosopher and an apologist for intelligent design. You can find it Here
I really hate this dodge. And the more I think about it, the word "doctrine" becomes more absurd. Neo hides behind the word "doctrine" to avoid that back then, people were taking much more of the bible word for word as true. He is cherry picking and he knows it and it is dishonest.
Tons of theists pull this. When we point out what the writers believed at the time, they ignore it and try to revise it in their head to try and prop it up with modern scientific knowledge. So now they cant use the literal story as true, which people back then thought, now he is saying "it isn't a requirement to believe".
Yep, typical tactic, when you cant prove it it gets chalked up to metaphor. Funny how the bible was taken word for word as being true, but as time goes by the fantastic debunked claims are now hiding behind "You don't have to believe that".
Sure you dont but if the bible can get the 6 day story wrong, what makes these apologists think any of the fantastic claims are scientifically possible?
If you took a black Sharpie to every bullshit fantastic claim in that book to every page there would be nothing left.
(July 28, 2017 at 7:19 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Everybody knows all this, Brian.
The issue with theists is that their emotional attachment to their religion - their faith - overrides their logical mind. They are not incapable of logic, nor are they ignorant. It is simply that when it comes to this subject, emotion/faith > logic for them. We learned this years ago. You are beating a dead horse.
No I am not. NEO may never ditch his position. But you cannot make this solely about one person. If someone had not asked me a skeptical question when I did believe I would not be where I am at now. The person who asked me that question will never know that I am an atheist now. We parted company just a year or so later and I have not seen him since.
I also cannot begin to tell you in my 16 years on line how many times I have run into atheists that were formerly just as deep rooted as NEO is now.
But the other reason it is good to do this, is to allow other atheists to hear arguments they may not be aware of so that when they do run into theists on their own they are better informed and cannot be fooled so easily. I can tell you at the time I first got on line seeking other atheists I didn't know shit and if I had tried to take on a theist without other atheists around me to see what they were arguing I would have bee a much easier target.
