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Plagiarism in the NT
RE: Plagiarism in the NT
(August 1, 2017 at 3:17 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Evans quote mines a suspicious half sentence of josephus, and builds the body of his argument around OT myths...including exodus.  That's not exactly impressive, at least..if what you're aiming for is historicity, rather than theological flourish.  Seems like Min nailed it the first go round.   We have an apologist on our hands, more than willing to lie for christ - not a historian.

He has a lot of citations, and I have read the quote of Josephus in War of the Jews.   How do you think that it is quote mined or taken out of context?  But then again, he quotes Josephus a number of times, so you may be referring to something else.    As to "OT myths" these are referencing the customs and beliefs of the Jewish people, which is relevant to the discussion (regardless of your bias against the origins).   This is also supported by other references. 

However; if you checked it out.... name 1 lie in the article.  Even then if only partially correct, there is more than enough here to substantiate that the claim as plausible that Jesus would not have been removed so quickly from the cross.  Now I'm more than willing to listen to the arguments and reasons, no matter who the source is.   But simply rejecting the source, and vague claims aren't going convince me. Nor are appeals to many scholars, when there are also many scholars also disagree.   I want to know why.  I'm starting to notice a pattern, and beginning to believe that many athiest don't really think through their own arguments, that they proclaim, nor the arguments against.   At least based on the evidence here.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 24, 2017 at 2:37 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 24, 2017 at 2:44 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 24, 2017 at 3:42 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 24, 2017 at 8:29 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 24, 2017 at 6:51 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 24, 2017 at 10:59 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 24, 2017 at 8:13 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 24, 2017 at 8:39 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 24, 2017 at 8:47 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - July 24, 2017 at 11:18 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 24, 2017 at 11:22 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 28, 2017 at 9:57 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 24, 2017 at 11:27 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 24, 2017 at 11:33 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 24, 2017 at 11:36 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 24, 2017 at 11:40 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 24, 2017 at 11:42 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Pat Mustard - July 26, 2017 at 4:24 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 26, 2017 at 5:30 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 26, 2017 at 6:43 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 26, 2017 at 6:58 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 26, 2017 at 7:13 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 26, 2017 at 7:22 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 26, 2017 at 7:29 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 26, 2017 at 7:40 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 26, 2017 at 11:32 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 27, 2017 at 7:44 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 27, 2017 at 11:59 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 28, 2017 at 12:11 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 28, 2017 at 12:14 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 28, 2017 at 9:35 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 28, 2017 at 10:40 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 28, 2017 at 1:35 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 28, 2017 at 4:02 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 26, 2017 at 7:40 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Silver - July 26, 2017 at 7:43 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 26, 2017 at 7:58 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 26, 2017 at 8:16 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Silver - July 26, 2017 at 8:20 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Succubus - July 26, 2017 at 10:44 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 26, 2017 at 10:50 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Succubus - July 26, 2017 at 10:53 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 26, 2017 at 10:58 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Pat Mustard - July 28, 2017 at 1:45 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 24, 2017 at 11:55 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 24, 2017 at 11:59 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2017 at 1:53 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 25, 2017 at 11:55 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 25, 2017 at 3:20 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 26, 2017 at 8:25 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Silver - July 26, 2017 at 8:27 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 26, 2017 at 8:40 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 26, 2017 at 8:35 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 26, 2017 at 11:14 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 27, 2017 at 12:04 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 27, 2017 at 9:33 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 27, 2017 at 9:57 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 27, 2017 at 10:11 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 27, 2017 at 10:22 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 27, 2017 at 10:30 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 27, 2017 at 10:32 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - July 28, 2017 at 12:25 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 28, 2017 at 12:40 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 28, 2017 at 1:38 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 28, 2017 at 1:41 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 28, 2017 at 1:49 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 28, 2017 at 1:49 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 28, 2017 at 1:53 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 28, 2017 at 5:21 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Mister Agenda - July 28, 2017 at 10:05 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 28, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 28, 2017 at 1:40 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 28, 2017 at 6:38 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Pat Mustard - July 29, 2017 at 4:17 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 29, 2017 at 10:04 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 29, 2017 at 3:31 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Pat Mustard - August 1, 2017 at 8:09 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 30, 2017 at 12:07 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by JackRussell - July 30, 2017 at 4:08 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 30, 2017 at 7:04 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 30, 2017 at 7:07 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 30, 2017 at 7:46 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 31, 2017 at 3:28 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Mister Agenda - July 31, 2017 at 4:31 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 31, 2017 at 9:04 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 30, 2017 at 7:48 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 30, 2017 at 10:50 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 31, 2017 at 7:16 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by SteelCurtain - July 31, 2017 at 2:34 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 31, 2017 at 3:55 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 31, 2017 at 5:36 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by SteelCurtain - July 31, 2017 at 4:14 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 31, 2017 at 5:37 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by SteelCurtain - July 31, 2017 at 5:37 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Silver - July 31, 2017 at 5:39 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by SteelCurtain - July 31, 2017 at 5:40 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 31, 2017 at 7:46 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 31, 2017 at 6:04 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 31, 2017 at 7:14 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 31, 2017 at 9:09 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 31, 2017 at 9:23 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 31, 2017 at 9:34 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 31, 2017 at 9:37 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 31, 2017 at 9:47 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 31, 2017 at 9:50 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 31, 2017 at 10:06 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 31, 2017 at 10:11 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 31, 2017 at 11:10 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Mister Agenda - August 1, 2017 at 10:50 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 1, 2017 at 12:21 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - August 1, 2017 at 2:06 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 1, 2017 at 8:00 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - August 1, 2017 at 11:09 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 1, 2017 at 3:00 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - August 1, 2017 at 11:51 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 1, 2017 at 1:07 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2017 at 1:51 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Mister Agenda - August 1, 2017 at 5:40 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2017 at 3:17 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 1, 2017 at 3:51 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - August 1, 2017 at 9:58 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 1, 2017 at 10:01 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 1, 2017 at 4:00 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2017 at 4:06 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 1, 2017 at 4:20 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2017 at 4:30 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 1, 2017 at 4:42 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - August 1, 2017 at 5:42 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 1, 2017 at 5:54 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 1, 2017 at 7:28 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2017 at 9:22 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - August 1, 2017 at 10:03 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 1, 2017 at 11:02 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - August 1, 2017 at 11:33 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 1, 2017 at 11:44 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - August 2, 2017 at 1:01 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2017 at 11:51 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Mister Agenda - August 2, 2017 at 9:49 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - August 3, 2017 at 7:05 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2017 at 2:13 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 5, 2017 at 11:48 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Dropship - August 6, 2017 at 3:28 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - August 6, 2017 at 3:37 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 6, 2017 at 7:22 pm



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