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Plagiarism in the NT
RE: Plagiarism in the NT
I think you forget Neo.... the deck is stacked against you.... They can ignore reason and argue to authority. But if you question (or laugh at Smile them) those same people will call it desperation and excuse making. It's not consistent...but those the rules. Remember if they do it, it's critical thinking, if you do it....desperation and excuse making!

But that is my assessment; as well as most scholars to Carrier as well.

(August 1, 2017 at 4:06 pm)Khemikal Wrote: This...right here RR, is the only citation that refers to the point of contention.  The rest, like all the ahistorical OT garbage, is pure puffery.  

Quote:317Nay, they proceeded to that degree of impiety, as to cast away their dead bodies without burial, although the Jews used to take so much care of the burial of men, that they took down those that were condemned and crucified, and buried them before the going down of the sun.
http://lexundria.com/j_bj/4.317/wst
It refers to internecine struggle, when various factions of jerusalem were screwing each other up...-before- the romans squashed that shit and garrisoned.  After such time, they had absolutely no authority or ability to fuck with a roman execution, even assuming that they wanted to and that the above wasn't..itself, pure puffery. If there was a jesus, and if he was crucified by the romans, his ass would have rotted on the cross beam. There wasn't, so he didn't..and so there's no reason to wonder where the body went. No tomb, no rolling away of the stone, no witnesses, no darkness, no zombie apocalypse, no resurrection. No jesus, and no christ.

And you know what comes next... what's your evidence for that? Are you saying that one after this "internecine struggle" was ever removed from a crucifixion and buried? By the way, that can refer to a few events.

(August 1, 2017 at 10:50 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
RoadRunner79 Wrote:In regards to claims, that the crucifixion account is inaccurate of what occurred at the time:

Here is a paper with a number of citations about the Jewish tradition to take down even accursed criminals from crucifixion. It presents a larger argument with references to the Old Testament, examples before and after Jesus, and also of some of the other practices in regards to the crucifixion.

http://www.craigaevans.com/Burial_Traditions.pdf

I don't normally like to just post links, and I realize this is two now.  But the first was for speed....for the second is much more than I could do with my limited time and resources.

Thanks for that bit of information. It seems to me that it makes the 'Jesus was in a deep coma from which he awoke' hypothesis more plausible: no need to bribe guards to get Jesus off the cross as quickly as possible, once he appeared to be dead and passed the 'spear-poke test', they could take him down.

Ok... still feel the need to add to... I see. But I don't think that addition explains what was seen. What does evidence from the medical field say that people died from in a crucifixion? Also what does medical knowledge say about what the "spear poke test" which was reported that blood and water resulted from indicates?
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 24, 2017 at 2:37 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 24, 2017 at 2:44 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 24, 2017 at 3:42 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 24, 2017 at 8:29 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 24, 2017 at 6:51 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 24, 2017 at 10:59 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 24, 2017 at 8:13 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 24, 2017 at 8:39 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 24, 2017 at 8:47 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - July 24, 2017 at 11:18 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 24, 2017 at 11:22 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 28, 2017 at 9:57 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 24, 2017 at 11:27 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 24, 2017 at 11:33 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 24, 2017 at 11:36 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 24, 2017 at 11:40 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 24, 2017 at 11:42 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Pat Mustard - July 26, 2017 at 4:24 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 26, 2017 at 5:30 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 26, 2017 at 6:43 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 26, 2017 at 6:58 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 26, 2017 at 7:13 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 26, 2017 at 7:22 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 26, 2017 at 7:29 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 26, 2017 at 7:40 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 26, 2017 at 11:32 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 27, 2017 at 7:44 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 27, 2017 at 11:59 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 28, 2017 at 12:11 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 28, 2017 at 12:14 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 28, 2017 at 9:35 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 28, 2017 at 10:40 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 28, 2017 at 1:35 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 28, 2017 at 4:02 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 26, 2017 at 7:40 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Silver - July 26, 2017 at 7:43 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 26, 2017 at 7:58 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 26, 2017 at 8:16 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Silver - July 26, 2017 at 8:20 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Succubus - July 26, 2017 at 10:44 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 26, 2017 at 10:50 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Succubus - July 26, 2017 at 10:53 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 26, 2017 at 10:58 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Pat Mustard - July 28, 2017 at 1:45 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 24, 2017 at 11:55 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 24, 2017 at 11:59 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2017 at 1:53 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 25, 2017 at 11:55 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 25, 2017 at 3:20 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 26, 2017 at 8:25 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Silver - July 26, 2017 at 8:27 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 26, 2017 at 8:40 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 26, 2017 at 8:35 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 26, 2017 at 11:14 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 27, 2017 at 12:04 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 27, 2017 at 9:33 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 27, 2017 at 9:57 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 27, 2017 at 10:11 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 27, 2017 at 10:22 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 27, 2017 at 10:30 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 27, 2017 at 10:32 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - July 28, 2017 at 12:25 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 28, 2017 at 12:40 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 28, 2017 at 1:38 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 28, 2017 at 1:41 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 28, 2017 at 1:49 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 28, 2017 at 1:49 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 28, 2017 at 1:53 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 28, 2017 at 5:21 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Mister Agenda - July 28, 2017 at 10:05 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Brian37 - July 28, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 28, 2017 at 1:40 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 28, 2017 at 6:38 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Pat Mustard - July 29, 2017 at 4:17 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 29, 2017 at 10:04 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 29, 2017 at 3:31 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Pat Mustard - August 1, 2017 at 8:09 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 30, 2017 at 12:07 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by JackRussell - July 30, 2017 at 4:08 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 30, 2017 at 7:04 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 30, 2017 at 7:07 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 30, 2017 at 7:46 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 31, 2017 at 3:28 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Mister Agenda - July 31, 2017 at 4:31 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 31, 2017 at 9:04 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 30, 2017 at 7:48 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 30, 2017 at 10:50 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 31, 2017 at 7:16 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by SteelCurtain - July 31, 2017 at 2:34 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 31, 2017 at 3:55 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 31, 2017 at 5:36 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by SteelCurtain - July 31, 2017 at 4:14 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 31, 2017 at 5:37 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by SteelCurtain - July 31, 2017 at 5:37 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Silver - July 31, 2017 at 5:39 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by SteelCurtain - July 31, 2017 at 5:40 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 31, 2017 at 7:46 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 31, 2017 at 6:04 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 31, 2017 at 7:14 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - July 31, 2017 at 9:09 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 31, 2017 at 9:23 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - July 31, 2017 at 9:34 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 31, 2017 at 9:37 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 31, 2017 at 9:47 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 31, 2017 at 9:50 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - July 31, 2017 at 10:06 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - July 31, 2017 at 10:11 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - July 31, 2017 at 11:10 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Mister Agenda - August 1, 2017 at 10:50 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 1, 2017 at 12:21 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - August 1, 2017 at 2:06 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 1, 2017 at 8:00 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - August 1, 2017 at 11:09 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 1, 2017 at 3:00 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - August 1, 2017 at 11:51 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 1, 2017 at 1:07 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2017 at 1:51 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Mister Agenda - August 1, 2017 at 5:40 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2017 at 3:17 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 1, 2017 at 3:51 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - August 1, 2017 at 9:58 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 1, 2017 at 10:01 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 1, 2017 at 4:00 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2017 at 4:06 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 1, 2017 at 4:20 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2017 at 4:30 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 1, 2017 at 4:42 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Neo-Scholastic - August 1, 2017 at 5:42 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 1, 2017 at 5:54 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 1, 2017 at 7:28 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2017 at 9:22 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - August 1, 2017 at 10:03 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 1, 2017 at 11:02 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - August 1, 2017 at 11:33 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 1, 2017 at 11:44 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Astonished - August 2, 2017 at 1:01 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2017 at 11:51 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Mister Agenda - August 2, 2017 at 9:49 am
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - August 3, 2017 at 7:05 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 3, 2017 at 2:13 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 5, 2017 at 11:48 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Dropship - August 6, 2017 at 3:28 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Minimalist - August 6, 2017 at 3:37 pm
RE: Plagiarism in the NT - by Amarok - August 6, 2017 at 7:22 pm



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