(August 10, 2017 at 12:18 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:(August 10, 2017 at 11:42 am)pabsta Wrote: As someone who doesn't appear to believe in the incorruptibles, and given this phenomenon only occurs with devout Catholics, the question you should be asking yourself is how even a single incorrupt body could exist. It completely defies science no matter who's incorrupt body we are speaking about. They are on display all over Europe for you to go see. I am not the one having a problem understanding and believing in them, so it is up to you to go and see them. Next time you schedule a vacation, make it in Europe so you can go see them.
As for differentiating between ordinary and extraordinary claims, that is relative. Atheists seem to categorize many things as extraordinary that others wouldn't. Again, let's assume for the moment that the sun never bobbed up and down in the sky. The question then becomes, why did thousands of people submit testimonies saying they think it did?
"on display" are the key words here. If you can only see them, you're only taking the word of a believer. Many so-called "incorruptibles" are accented or even made, of wax. At least one was found to have been a recent body instead of the saint they were identified as.
Why the testimonies? You answered your own question. They THINK they did.
Nice try Harry. Body examination testimonials exist for the incorruptibles. You can ask about them when you visit them - they are not all online.
You must also realize that there are incorruptibles, partial incorruptibles, and wax effigies. They are all different. Incorruptibles are full bodies that mysteriously don't corrupt even without embalming, whereas a partial incorruptible would be only part of the body that has not corrupted. Wax effigies are not incorruptibles at all, but wax images of a Saint who has otherwise decayed but his/her relics are placed inside, and it is put on display for veneration.
Also, all incorrupt bodies are not perfect and may have blemishes, so they may be touched up with wax or makeup to make them more appealing for display to the public. If you think the wax or make up makes them fake, then next time one of your family or friends dies, try and submerge their bodies in wax and set them aside and see what happens. They will decay like any other body. No amount of wax or makeup can prevent a dead body from corruption. The fact that the body of any incorrupt saint exists at all is a marvel and a miracle. Atheists ignore this because they will have to change their lives too much if they recognize it.