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Forgeries in the NT
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RE: Forgeries in the NT
(August 6, 2017 at 9:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Yes.... much of the holy horseshit is simply bullshit written by insignificant churchie assholes who needed to dress up their ideas by attributing them to someone who they actually thought gave jesus a hand job. 

From Bart Ehrman's Forged:  Writing in the Name of God.


Quote:Is it possible, in light of this extensive use of Peter’s name to
authorize others’ views, that any forgeries in the name of Peter
made it into the New Testament? As it turns out, two books bear
Peter’s name there as well, the letters of 1 Peter and 2 Peter. Both
claim to be written by Peter, but there are solid reasons for thinking
that Peter did not write either one.

Pg. 77


I suppose it sounds better than the Epistle of Shlomo but still, it is just bullshit being peddled to gullible fools.

 Where is Ehrman's supporting evidence for saying Peter never wrote his two books. Ehrman's famous for claiming things without a bit of evidence, you gave me the book and I read it and saw how he hem haws around to fool people in believing what he says.

GC

(August 9, 2017 at 1:45 am)Minimalist Wrote: So could "peter" have written much of anything?  If he existed?  No.


Quote:Was Peter among the very upper echelons of the educated elite of Palestine who could
compose letter-essays in Greek? Apart from the legendary accounts I have mentioned, all we know about Peter’s life comes to
us from the New Testament. What we principally learn about him is that before he was a follower of Jesus he was a fisherman
from Capernaum in Galilee.

In order to evaluate Peter’s linguistic abilities, the place to begin, then, is with Capernaum. A full summary of what we know
about Capernaum from Peter’s day is provided by an American archaeologist of Palestine, Jonathan Reed.28 On the basis of archaeological
digs and historical sources, it is clear that Capernaum was a historically insignificant village in rural Galilee. It is never mentioned in any ancient source prior to the Gospels. It is scarcely mentioned by any sources after that. It was discovered by archaeologists in the nineteenth century and has been excavated
since then. In the time of Jesus it may have had anywhere between six and fifteen hundred inhabitants, so say a thousand. The archaeological digs have revealed no evidence of any public buildings whatsoever, such as shops or storage facilities. The market for buying food and other necessities must have been
held in tents or booths in open unpaved public areas. The town is on none of the major international trade routes. The Roman roads in the area date from a hundred years after Peter’s life.

There is no trace of any pagan or Gentile population in the town. There are no inscriptions of any kind on any of the buildings.
Reed concludes that the inhabitants were almost certainly “predominantly illiterate.” Archaeologists have found no building
structures or materials associated with social elites from the first century (e.g., plaster surfaces, decorative frescoes, marble, mosaics,
red ceramic roof tiles). The houses were roughly constructed out of stone basalt, and mud or clay was used to fill in the gaps;
they probably had thatched roofs. In short, Peter’s town was a backwoods Jewish village made up of hand-to-mouth laborers who did not have an education.
Everyone spoke Aramaic. Nothing suggests that anyone could speak Greek. Nothing suggests that anyone in town could write. As a lower-class fisherman, Peter would have started work as a young boy and never attended school. There was, in fact, probably no school there; if there was a school, he probably didn’t attend; if he did attend, it would have been in order to receive rudimentary training in how to read Hebrew. But that almost certainly never happened. Peter was an illiterate peasant.

pgs 86-87

So the only way that this peter character could have written anything is if he did not exist.  That way, the authors who created him can make him do whatever the fuck they wanted him to do.

Xristards, decide how you want it.

 That bunch of speak has no evidence Peter was born there. Most of the town in Palestine were small and small in population no great surprise there, and just because it was a small town doesn't in any way mean they were not Greek speaking people there. Peter was a business man and had to know some math and writing to do his job. The book of Acts says that the people listening to Peter were surprised by the way he spoke because they knew him to be a fisherman. More assertions with no evidence to back it up.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 6, 2017 at 9:11 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 6, 2017 at 10:03 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 6, 2017 at 10:58 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 6, 2017 at 11:02 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 6, 2017 at 11:05 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 9, 2017 at 1:45 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Godscreated - August 13, 2017 at 12:23 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 13, 2017 at 12:42 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 13, 2017 at 12:53 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 10:51 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 13, 2017 at 11:05 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Succubus - August 13, 2017 at 12:04 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 12:51 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2017 at 2:42 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 3:00 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 13, 2017 at 8:33 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 13, 2017 at 9:11 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 13, 2017 at 2:54 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 4:09 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Succubus - August 13, 2017 at 10:02 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 10:31 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2017 at 3:08 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Dropship - August 13, 2017 at 4:39 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 13, 2017 at 4:53 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 6:20 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 13, 2017 at 6:33 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 6:34 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 13, 2017 at 7:11 pm
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RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 13, 2017 at 10:59 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 14, 2017 at 11:59 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 15, 2017 at 4:10 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Succubus - August 15, 2017 at 5:17 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 15, 2017 at 6:09 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 13, 2017 at 7:26 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 13, 2017 at 10:46 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 11:15 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 13, 2017 at 11:28 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2017 at 11:21 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 13, 2017 at 11:54 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 1:22 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Succubus - August 15, 2017 at 3:26 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 1:10 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Succubus - August 15, 2017 at 1:27 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 2:55 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 15, 2017 at 3:38 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 3:45 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Whateverist - August 15, 2017 at 3:22 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 4:01 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 4:34 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 15, 2017 at 7:58 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Whateverist - August 16, 2017 at 5:40 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 15, 2017 at 11:44 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 15, 2017 at 11:57 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 15, 2017 at 3:24 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 3:34 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 3:40 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 15, 2017 at 3:40 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 15, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 4:17 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 15, 2017 at 4:26 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 15, 2017 at 6:24 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 15, 2017 at 6:46 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 15, 2017 at 6:56 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 15, 2017 at 9:53 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 16, 2017 at 5:54 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 16, 2017 at 8:58 pm
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RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 18, 2017 at 6:43 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 18, 2017 at 7:13 pm
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