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Forgeries in the NT
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RE: Forgeries in the NT
(August 15, 2017 at 4:34 pm)Fr33Th1nker Wrote:
(August 15, 2017 at 3:22 pm)Whateverist Wrote: If you identify as a Christian (still waiting for that intro thread  Dodgy), I wonder how you interpret the Jesus-quote that goes something like "I am the way".  Most churchy folks seem to think he literally is a bridge for everyone else to cross over into God's favor without a lot of bother or pain.  But I think a free thinker could read that as meaning he should be followed for his example of personal transcendence, implying a lot more self reliance than most folks who call themselves Christians want to hear about.  

I think there is also a Jesus-quote that goes something like "I and the father are one".  (I am admittedly very unacquainted with the bible except for a for a few stray bits I hear others mention.)  Your garden variety Christian probably hears that and thinks, God and Jesus are entirely different than they themselves are and use it to justify debasing themselves and humankind generally.  But I think a free thinking bible-raised person might hear it differently.  It could just mean "I'm channeling God" with the take away being ".. and so can you".  Of course 'God' as a literal creator of everything who runs the world's best after-life amusement park, makes no sense at all.  But 'God' as a dimensions of human experience not residing under our direct control, that interpretation might hunt.

I believe in God, an omnipotent and omniscient Being or entity that initiated everything. I don't believe that Jesus is God or the son of God hence I don't care about the Jesus quote or need to waste my time pondering on something that has already been established as fallacy. Most of the Old Testament are myths or folklore. And to use the Bible as reference as to how we should live our lives in the 21st Century or how the universe was created is absurd. The people and culture back then are light years away from the people, culture and lifestyle of people these days. When I said that the Bible is a book of Wisdom and not facts, I meant that there are stories, insights and reference that we could learn from. 

As for the statement, you should understand that back then, times where very different. No one has the guts to say something like "I and the Father are One" or I am the son of God. So imagine what the masses have felt when a human made this declaration. Thus a generation of religious slaves were born passing this slave mentality from one generation to another. Sorry but that is my insight.


Good that simplifies matters tremendously.  So forget messiahs and the bible (at least as a reference book).  So that just leaves your idea of God or 'god'.  I wonder if you can say where your notion of it comes from?  Is it a hold over from what I assume must be your Christian beginnings?  Gods come in a variety of forms and perform a variety of functions.  Could you elaborate what defines your God?
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Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 6, 2017 at 9:11 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 6, 2017 at 10:03 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 6, 2017 at 10:58 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 6, 2017 at 11:02 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 6, 2017 at 11:05 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 9, 2017 at 1:45 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Godscreated - August 13, 2017 at 12:23 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 13, 2017 at 12:42 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 13, 2017 at 12:53 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 10:51 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 13, 2017 at 11:05 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Succubus - August 13, 2017 at 12:04 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 12:51 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2017 at 2:42 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 3:00 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 13, 2017 at 8:33 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 13, 2017 at 9:11 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 13, 2017 at 2:54 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 4:09 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Succubus - August 13, 2017 at 10:02 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 10:31 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2017 at 3:08 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Dropship - August 13, 2017 at 4:39 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 13, 2017 at 4:53 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 6:20 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 13, 2017 at 6:33 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 6:34 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 13, 2017 at 7:11 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 8:29 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 13, 2017 at 10:59 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 14, 2017 at 11:59 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 15, 2017 at 4:10 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Succubus - August 15, 2017 at 5:17 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 15, 2017 at 6:09 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 13, 2017 at 7:26 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 13, 2017 at 10:46 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 13, 2017 at 11:15 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 13, 2017 at 11:28 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 13, 2017 at 11:21 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Amarok - August 13, 2017 at 11:54 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 1:22 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Succubus - August 15, 2017 at 3:26 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 1:10 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Succubus - August 15, 2017 at 1:27 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 2:55 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 15, 2017 at 3:38 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 3:45 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Whateverist - August 15, 2017 at 3:22 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 4:01 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 4:34 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 15, 2017 at 7:58 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Whateverist - August 16, 2017 at 5:40 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 15, 2017 at 11:44 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 15, 2017 at 11:57 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 15, 2017 at 3:24 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 3:34 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 3:40 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 15, 2017 at 3:40 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 15, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Fr33Th1nker - August 15, 2017 at 4:17 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 15, 2017 at 4:26 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 15, 2017 at 6:24 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by RoadRunner79 - August 15, 2017 at 6:46 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 15, 2017 at 6:56 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 15, 2017 at 9:53 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 16, 2017 at 5:54 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 16, 2017 at 8:58 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2017 at 9:28 am
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 18, 2017 at 6:43 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Minimalist - August 18, 2017 at 7:13 pm
RE: Forgeries in the NT - by Astonished - August 18, 2017 at 10:46 pm



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