Quantum consciousness...

[The Grand Nudger]

Why?  Is it your position that once a new property has supervened, it is independent in some way of the properties or systems on which it supervened?

Consciousness needs brain needs neurons needs molecules needs atoms needs QM effects, no?  At what stage of this organization do you think "meaningful reliance" emerges, and why?

I've argued this in the past, that identical properties can emerge on different systems, meaning that they are not after all functionally reliant on those underlying systems.  Are you making this argument now?

(As an example, I'd say that wings could evolve in organic animals, in silicon based life forms, or in self-replicating robots.  I'd say that while you need SOME organization to sustain information, the "wing" idea has an identity of its own, separate from any of the various mechanisms that could potentially sustain it)

I thought of forming my response to Matthilda to specifically deal with the nonsense I knew you'd say, but then thought to myself.."nah, fuck it, let him step right into a mound of bullshit."



Flight also relies on qm effects...but, meaningfully, bernoulli's principle is a better explanation for that specific subject regardless of what a wing is made of (ignoring, ofc, that wings aren't required for flight, lelz).  My taking a shit is also "a qm effect" in the same way that flight is a qm effect, and in the same way that consciousness appears to be a qm effect, for what it's worth....which aint much.