RE: Holocaust Denial
August 31, 2017 at 8:30 pm
(This post was last modified: August 31, 2017 at 8:33 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(August 31, 2017 at 7:29 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: I dont deny the Holocaust.
Like I said, I think you want to but lack the gonads to say so openly. That is why you posit questions, strew links uncritically, and argue over details even when you're obviously ignorant of those same details.
(August 31, 2017 at 7:29 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: I just have questions about it, and aside from mandated classes in it in middle school and high school (part of this tolerance agenda or something) I really haven't heard much about it, or sought a ton of info.
lol, poor thing, you have to tolerate history? My lord, you're so abused!
(August 31, 2017 at 7:29 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: Just I don't know.. part of me thinks the Germans were the good guys when they invaded the Soviet Union, the greatest anti christian entity on the earth, and the brute Stalin had far bloodier hands than Herr Hitler did.
You're not alone. Your own pope regarded Operation Barbarossa as "high-minded gallantry in defense of Christian civilization" ... never mind that Hitler had already laid out thirteen years prior his ideas that Lebensraum would be found in the East ... never mind that he'd already shown with the Poles how he was prepared to deal with Untermenschen like Slavs ... never mind that your pope never recanted this praise even after the operations of the Einsatzgruppen were made clear in the Nuremberg trials.
That part of you that thinks the Germans were the good guys invading Russia is also the part of you that thinks a war of extermination is a good thing. It's the part of you that thinks that your ideology is more important than human lives. It's the religious part of you. Own it.
Now, how about you tell us how your belief in your god imbues you with morality? I'm all fucking ears, pal.
(August 31, 2017 at 7:29 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: Look at these pictures of German "brutal occupation" in the USSR
1. http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/...20Riga.jpg
2. http://imgur.com/qi1VUGR
3.https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ac/6e/87/ac6e8782f8592deb50ee8f1f4659cb25.jpg
4. and many such others http://www.mourningtheancient.com/truth-ukrainev2.htm
At some level the people of the USSr saw the Nazis as liberators, even if the NAzis did bad things.
Of course many citizens in that oppressive state found soldiers chasing away the OGPU or Red Army as liberators. But that is not the point. The point is that even after those humble people learnt the truth and took up arms against the NaZis, your pope still did not recant his praise, still did not excommunicate Hitler after he knew of the Shoah, still did not think his own god would protect him from Skorzeny et al.
You can dress it up all you like, but the fact is that the Catholic Church, in its silence, did nothing to abey the scourge of NaZiism. And you know what they say -- all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.
And that is exactly what your church, and your pope, did: nothing.
(August 31, 2017 at 7:29 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: Im just saying things can be a bit complicated at times, and the German invasion of the USSR can't in itself be viewed as a rotten thing, though rotten things inevitably occurred.
Yes, it can, because it was driven by an ideology predicated on stripping those human beings of life, livelihood, freedom and the means to exist. I suggest you read up on the starvation plans the Germans laid out ... but I doubt you will.
(August 31, 2017 at 7:29 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: Was the Allied attack on Germany all bad because of the firebombing of Hamburg and Dresden?
Why are you trying to deflect? We're talking about why your church did not condemn NaZi actions. What does my opinion about Hamburg or Dresden have to do with that?
The stench of desperation is strong with you. Stay on point. Why did your pope not condemn NaZiism? Was it because your god couldn't stop German special forces? Was it because your pope didn't object to non-Catholics being exterminated? Do tell.