RE: A good argument for God's existence (long but worth it)
September 1, 2017 at 4:39 pm
(This post was last modified: September 1, 2017 at 4:50 pm by Mystic.)
(September 1, 2017 at 4:32 pm)Hammy Wrote: And how is that relevant? The name/concept of God is not the same thing as God. But yes, God shall be defined. And if he is defined to be all powerful, all good and all knowing.... well, the argument from evil addresses those things and you haven't.
Fair enough if you don't think your God is all good, all powerful and all knowing. But in that case... why are you even bothering to attempt to argue against the argument from evil when it's not relevant to the God you believe in?
No, rather it's simple. You don't get to define what it means to be all-good while denying that there is any connection to the all-good because there is no all good, you make an imaginary sky which is the highest ultimate good, and you then define how it would be, create the world, and what it will, and say you see we proven such a being cannot exist, by a connection we don't have with him but just have made up.
If Highest Goodness exists, it is not going to be known simply by our whims nor blind shots in the dark, but must be recognized through a connection to it.
The above line includes the following statement: "If it not recognized through a connection to it, Highest Goodness would not be known".
If you have no idea what it is because you are arguing there is no connection, how can you put terms on it?
Or is that they are making use of his connection to the highest goodness while disbelieving in it and disproving it?
Come on dude. That is only a small part, it's not the main dish. The main dish is the proof I offered to how we can know God exists (among many other ways).
(September 1, 2017 at 4:39 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: If there was any being even remotely like Yahweh, Allah . . . or any being that actually wants us to know it and worship it - no human would ever need to tie him or herself into such convoluted knots to prove it's existence.
There is no need, because Quran does the best job, at proving and reminding of his existence. However, the Quran needs receptive ears, reflection and true armies of intelligence to go with it.
If God exists, we certainly don't need people like me to prove it's existence.
I am just trying to help you guys that despite him emanating guidance from himself, reciting clear arguments for his existence and his religion, and despite appointing interpreters and leaders who guide by his command, don't see the truth.
Indeed it maybe no matter how much I try, as long as you intend to be averse to God, then God will not allow the truth to enter your heart or receive no matter how clear the argument is, because you don't want to perceive.
Moses, Noah, other Prophets, they were all accused of being unclear, speaking nonsense, that no one understood what they say, but the Quran shows that was not true, people became rather blinded by their sheer opposition to the truth and believed in their own slogans despite them not making sense, and constantly demanded for clearer proofs, instead of looking at the clear proofs presented be they physical miracles they call sorcery or the divine books which stand towering above that of the speech of humans.