RE: Psalm 137:9
September 1, 2017 at 7:00 pm
(This post was last modified: September 1, 2017 at 7:02 pm by Angrboda.)
(September 1, 2017 at 1:36 am)Godisgood Wrote:Quote:From the only place you can find an objective moral standard, moral facts of a matter.
I dont know what that means??
What you understand seems extremely limited. I have no faith in your ability to justify the stances that you've taken. So far you've declared that God is good, and that God is the foundation of objective morality, but you haven't given any reasons for believing either of these claims. In order to make the case that God is the source of objective morals, you have to do more than just assert that he is. I rather doubt that you can connect the dots between God and objective morality. You seem to be just herpily derpily repeating claims that others have made about your god. You claim that he provides a standard for morals. Laws and school codes of conduct provide standards of behavior, that doesn't make those standards in any sense a foundation for morals. Just as you can have non-moral standards of conduct, you can have non-moral standards from your god, such as his complicity towards slavery. You also argue that he gets to decide what is moral because he created us. My parents created me, but that doesn't make them a foundation for objective morals. You're full of assertions without any backing for them. You seem to be appealing to a sort of "might makes right" argument, but superior might doesn't equate to superior morality.
(September 1, 2017 at 1:36 am)Godisgood Wrote:Quote:Actually - we DO indeed have a right to judge - because the god is claimed to be ALL GOOD and ALL JUST. If the evidence is to the contrary - we can reject those claims.
No you dont. Even if the evidence seems to be against what He might do that jdoesnt give you the right to judge Him. We are finite beings and He is an INFINITE BEING WHO KNOWS EVERYTHING AND WE DONT KNOW EVERYTHING SO its rididculous for finite beings to be judging an all powerful God.
First off, it's not clear that claiming your god is "infinite" has any actual meaning. Typically theists claim their god is omnipotent and omniscient and omnibenevolent. It's not clear that any of these attributes requires your god to be "infinite." Regardless, infinite doesn't mean incomprehensible. People like you are fond of claiming that we are in no position to judge God because he is so much greater than us, but that simply doesn't follow. I am just as capable of judging your god as I am of judging another human being, this is because I have an innate sense of the moral. I don't need anything other than my innate moral sense and capacity for reason to form justified judgements of the character of your god. This, like much of your rhetoric, seems nothing more than an empty assertion.
(September 1, 2017 at 1:36 am)Godisgood Wrote: Furthermore, God is completely Just in judging those who disobey Him. If He didnt punish them, He would be approving of Sin.
Whether or not your god displays approval toward "sin", even if we are to grant that your god is perfectly just, none of this provides a substantial reason for considering him a foundation for objective morals. Nor does it preclude us from judging him.
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