Enlightened rants...

[Mystic]

But if the proof doesn't prove what it's supposed to, or proves nothing at all, or is known to be bollocks, it's not our fault for not swallowing it without question. Remember that and we might be able to have a good discussion.

You are right. But if does prove it through clear arguments and clear robust arguments that cannot be refuted or even doubted than the problem is our fault, can we agree?