RE: Is Accepting Christian Evidence Special Pleading?
September 15, 2017 at 10:38 am
(This post was last modified: September 15, 2017 at 10:47 am by Harry Nevis.)
(September 14, 2017 at 4:34 pm)SteveII Wrote:(September 14, 2017 at 1:42 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Okay so...to re-cap, so that I can wrap my brain around all of what I've read here, and what I've been reading on my own to fill in knowledge gaps:
Have I got this timeline right enough that we all (Theist and atheist) more or less agree?
-Jesus died around year 30
-Paul's letters weren't written until around year 50
-Gospel of Mark -not until around 70
-Luke, Matthew (taken from Mark and hypothetical Q) approx. 80's/90's
-Then John
And the final version of the NT that we know today, after being picked over several times, wasn't solidified until around year 390ish?!
How, in the name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, could any rational person take the supernatural claims in this story seriously? I mean, no one can even be sure that Paul himself ever met Jesus, and the gospel writers, whoever they were, came way too late! But Christianity is somehow more "evidenced" than Mormonism? Or any other religion? What evidence?! Stories passed down across a hundred or so years? This is special pleading. Cry me a river. And it's even worse than I'd realized.
You were close enough up to the point of 390. Most scholars (including Bart Ehrman) believe the books are 99% as they were originally. They also agree the 1% difference does not change any important textual meaning.
Do you have a citation for this?
(September 14, 2017 at 4:43 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(September 14, 2017 at 1:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Nah. Shit like this:
infuriates me. Fucking god can go fuck himself.
I bet Huggy wanks to it, though.
Why does that infuriate you?
Because we can think about it. Keep trying, you may get there one day.
(September 14, 2017 at 9:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote:(September 14, 2017 at 6:50 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: My response to that is; welcome to the club...
Seems like an amazing waste of time.
Just like reading your fucking bible and pretending it is real.
As well as his posts.
(September 15, 2017 at 6:29 am)SteveII Wrote:(September 14, 2017 at 9:09 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: A claim about a public event is just that. A claim. We have zero external corroboration for these supernatural claims, and after two thousand years I wouldn't even consider them claims anymore. They're stories. This is why we tell you that the Bible IS the claim, not the evidence.
Several things wrong here. It does not matter how you want to characterize the information we have. The information serves to make the circumstances between Christianity and Mormonism different so therefore no special pleading can occur.
Nope. Both claim that their book is the word of god delivered by their prophet(s). Each claim should be considered in the same way.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam
