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Odds of intelligent life occuring?
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RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring?
(September 19, 2017 at 7:34 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(September 19, 2017 at 7:33 am)Aroura Wrote: We all arose from a single line of life, too.

I mean, the chimps appeared to have separated before advanced tool use. Each of those species I mentioned developed their advancements at different times and drastically different locations from each other. If humans all died out, chances are another primate would fill that void eventually.

I was referring to the hominids.
They are the same genus, but all different species.

What I was referring to is that there are at least 4 non ancestral hominids. They are still hominids, but separate branches, not part of our direct chain of human evolution.

(September 19, 2017 at 7:39 am)Mathilda Wrote: I think life and intelligence is abundant in the universe. We may not recognise it as such at all and we may never see it ourselves because we're trapped on a small ball of rock without any easy method to cross the vast distances of space.

When considering how complexity has developed throughout the history of the universe, first the development of matter, then chemistry and geology etc the development of both life and of intelligence is just more of the same. They both allow for thermodynamic gradients to be exploited increasing entropy globally.

I haven't got around to reading it yet because I've been too busy, but this paper is relevant:

Life as we know it - Karl Friston

Quote:Abstract

This paper presents a heuristic proof (and simulations of a primordial soup) suggesting that life—or biological self-organization—is an inevitable and emergent property of any (ergodic) random dynamical system that possesses a Markov blanket. This conclusion is based on the following arguments: if the coupling among an ensemble of dynamical systems is mediated by short-range forces, then the states of remote systems must be conditionally independent. These independencies induce a Markov blanket that separates internal and external states in a statistical sense. The existence of a Markov blanket means that internal states will appear to minimize a free energy functional of the states of their Markov blanket. Crucially, this is the same quantity that is optimized in Bayesian inference. Therefore, the internal states (and their blanket) will appear to engage in active Bayesian inference. In other words, they will appear to model—and act on—their world to preserve their functional and structural integrity, leading to homoeostasis and a simple form of autopoiesis.

(September 19, 2017 at 7:32 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I've seen figures of 2 trillion galaxies.

400 billion stars in this galaxy alone.
That's interesting Mathilda, I'll have to read that. I have long been off the opinion that life is simply another state of matter. One that is inevitable when conditions are met.
“Eternity is a terrible thought. I mean, where's it going to end?” 
― Tom StoppardRosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead
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Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by ignoramus - September 19, 2017 at 5:09 am
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Aroura - September 19, 2017 at 5:47 am
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by The Valkyrie - September 19, 2017 at 5:43 pm
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by downbeatplumb - September 25, 2017 at 12:32 pm
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Anomalocaris - September 25, 2017 at 2:59 pm
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 25, 2017 at 3:16 pm
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by ignoramus - September 19, 2017 at 5:55 am
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 19, 2017 at 7:01 am
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Aroura - September 19, 2017 at 7:33 am
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 19, 2017 at 7:34 am
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Aroura - September 19, 2017 at 7:44 am
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Brian37 - September 19, 2017 at 7:22 am
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 19, 2017 at 7:32 am
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Brian37 - September 19, 2017 at 7:51 am
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 19, 2017 at 7:39 am
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Anomalocaris - September 19, 2017 at 11:42 am
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by The Grand Nudger - September 19, 2017 at 12:19 pm
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 19, 2017 at 12:57 pm
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RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 19, 2017 at 1:29 pm
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RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by ignoramus - September 19, 2017 at 10:12 pm
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by The Valkyrie - September 19, 2017 at 10:20 pm
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RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 20, 2017 at 9:03 am
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Jehanne - September 20, 2017 at 10:39 am
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RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 19, 2017 at 5:32 pm
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RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Anomalocaris - September 19, 2017 at 9:16 pm
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RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 19, 2017 at 7:42 pm
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RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Minimalist - September 19, 2017 at 10:24 pm
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by Aroura - September 20, 2017 at 5:13 am
RE: Odds of intelligent life occuring? - by ignoramus - September 20, 2017 at 5:25 am
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