(September 21, 2017 at 5:53 pm)chimp3 Wrote:A dumb, inaccurate ,racist , history lesson(September 21, 2017 at 2:26 pm)Drich Wrote: slavery is not a good nor a bad thing, inherently. it is how people use slaves, how slaves are obtained and how they are kept that evil can be fund. what most of you forget is most of the world elects slavery over the alternative, even today!You did not answer my questions. Instead you try to give me a history lesson.
That said this one ear of american History was for the popular understood part an exercise in evil. But at the same time not all slave owers were evil nor where they hated by their slaves. if you goto Monticello.org you can read about jefferson and his wonderful relationship he had with his slaves. In the deep south there were some examples of slaves being welcomed into families like blood brothers on smaller farms and even plantations (which is where the term uncle tom came from) those men were loved like brothers and were even left freedom and land where it was allowed.
Then there were the mega plantations. that span states and out of a hand full of those came America's legacy. The 'roots' understanding of slavery. Most slave owners hated these mega plantations as one the kept the prices low on whatever they grew, but two often would treat white land owners of smaller plantations and farm as they would a slave. From what I understand this mega plantation/family only held upto 1/3 of all the slaves during America's entire slave trading days.
But that's not what sells books and movies is it?
Which brings us to the civil war. a war fought over the use of slaves not the freedom of slaves.
The war was started by these mega plantation owners wanting to expand west of the Mississippi and take their slaves into the mid west/plain states and farm out there and into texas and raise cattle. The nothern states wanted no part of that as they need that teritory to be slave free so the white immigrants could be push west into paying jobs. (lincolon Himself explains this in a short letter explain about 100 days before the emancipation proclamation he did not care if it meant a promise to the south for a 1000 years that they could keep their slaves, or he did not care if they were all set free. He just wanted this war to come to an end one way or another. So they were set free and if he had not died they/the slaves ALL would have been sent back to africa/liberia to be exact as several dozen ship loads were sent from here to there as apart of his repatriation act.
I tell you all of that to have you look at the conditions in liberia and the attitudes in liberia/how they feel about the US and you tell me if there should have been 300 years of anything for anyone to over come.
Do you know why black people and korean people do not get along? (at least from the korean side?)
Because a korean man can come here wearing the stripes of slavery. (meaning they man could have been a literal slave himself in that country at one point or like me be one generation removed from a relative who was a slave, unlike black people who can if ever know the names/back story/ have a specific reason to be angry) don't speak the language, can be hated, beat and mistreated by whites open a business and thrive anywhere in this country dispelling the idea that oppression, humanitarian abominations, are objectives a race of people have to over come to be successful.
What's the difference? social infrastructure. Korean Chinese Japanese really all modern cultures, meaning cultures who have naturally progressed through their own version of the stone age, bronze age iron age preindustrial and industrial eras. A people who pass though These era all add to infrastructure/industriousness in the heart and minds of any member of those communities.
Black american slaves were in most cases taken out of a pre bronze age environment and made to work/live in a pre industrial age soceity
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