setting a watchman

[Drich]

The history lesson was your answer.
1) I identify slavery as being a morally neutral institution  
2) american slavery was not across the board "roots bad" Underscoring point one in history there are both good and bad examples of slavery
3) Even if it were "roots bad," in Korean people migrating to the US after 1950 we have examples of people who across the board had it "roots bad" when imperial Japan annexed the Korean peninsula after WWI, Kill all the royal families enslaved their children and put them to work in their own family's farms for 50+ years and still they Meaning the generation who were enslaved (being hated by the americans (back and white) who were at war with them) had nothing to over come outside their own pride. Which is why so many come here and by even our own standard become successful.

So you see I did answer your question with a history lesson. why? because you can't argue historical fact. Slavery doesn't/didn't just touch black skin. yet black people seem to be stuck on it, while other races simply move past it. again why? Harper Lee has a great answer.

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"Setting a Watchman" was not conceived by Harper Lee. It was a typical excuse by white supremacists like Jefferson Davis and Thomas Jefferson.

a, duh..
The purpose being to take a people like medieval Japan and fast forwarding their development into the modern age after WWII. The idea here was to take stone/bronze age people on the fast track to modern preindustrial man. The alternative favored by most of America including Lincoln where to use black people to colonize central and south America and or simply send them back to Africa. the nation of Liberia was the result of Lincoln's personal desires. people like Jefferson Davis and Jefferson felt black people would not be welcome back and felt that they could be taught how to be brought up and function as a westerner/American.

I identify slavery as always morally evil.

And what of the people who could not afford to live any other way?

That is because freedom has great value to me. I must extend that to others.

What of the freedom to elect bondage in slavery? True freedom would allow slavery if both parties were in agreement to said terms.

I dare you to provide an example of "good slavery". Name one human being who this was "good" for.

Again I am first generation born outside of slavery on my mother side. an example of evil slavery was the forced service my gradnfather endured and was made to grow food for emperial Japan after his family lands were annexed after WWI. I still remember the scars on his back.

Then another man who paid my Grandfather's way out of korea my Grandfather made a deal with a guy to pay him back if he could get him a small field to work. he worked the field from till he literally had a stroke in that field and crawled home. He was never more happy in his life.

I also gave the example where in the south during America's slavery days, MOST slaves were not treated like we think. Most were prized and well looked after because the owner as well as the slaves very existence depended on them being able to work together to eek out an existance. Some of these slaves were treated like family hence the name "uncle tom". While hated by their contemporaries uncle tom's were often loved by their host families. there are even examples of uncle toms being included in wills and being set free only to serve out their lives with their host families anyway.

Not all slavery begins and ends with the "roots" series version of things. Much of the slavery in the bible was mutually benficial, like wise today billions could not live in not for slave labor providing affordable food and raw materials.

The ultimate example of good slavery was Joseph serving Pharaoh. while he started out poorly, but rose through the ranks and finally was placed as a slave in charge of all of Egypt. Second to only Pharaoh.

This is the picture of slavery God gives us. If we dedicate ourselves to Him (while things may start out rough) He will put us incharge of vast resources and people.

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No matter how kindly you obtained a slave or how kindly you treat them, you're still owning a person, which is morally corrupt. This isn't debatable.

Again, if you do not own or show possession of your children in anyway then is  it not logical that anyone could then claim them for themselves? Word games aside if you own your kids then why is it then evil to show ownership of anyone else in the same way you would possess your own child?

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The amount of idiocy Drich crams into each post is nothing short of amazing.

Character assassination is not a position. it is a lazy attempt to gain the upper hand while name calling. who are you appealing to? those on the site who's heads hurt when they are made to think about a subject differently?

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[quote='LadyForCamus' pid='1624590' dateline='1506212243']

Says the guy who's never been one, ever.  Drich, I wonder...how does your wife refrain from instantly barfing every morning that she wakes up next to you? 😏

Yes, Drich.  Owning humans as property is morally wrong.  And no, I'm  not going to debate you on it, you lil' fuckin' weirdo!

But THEY LOVE THEM!!!!

I don't like my wife telling me to drop a couple of pounds, and I do love her.

Can't even imagine even more control over my heathen brain.

that is because you have been fooled into thinking you have complete control over your life. when the truth of the matter is, you don't. In fact you may only be able to make 1/4 of all of your decisions (usally stupid ones what to eat or what to watch) without someone or some circumstance limiting your ability to choose what you would truly want.

Owning people as property will always be wrong, still is wrong, was wrong back then, was wrong the UK and US under recent slave trading, just wrong.

but what about slavery that does not treat people with a chattel title?

The fairy land of benign slavery in early history is a sure lack of imagination or an outright denial of reason.

Slavery is as evil or as benign as men will allow. if you think it is not possible to be enslaved to a good man then you can not pathom a truly good man. Or you simply do not understand the word slavery.

But some of these people also deny evolution, think a global flood happened and think that vicarious redemption is justified..

Glad I live in reality.

where literally 45 million people are currently enslaved to help provide you with the life style you live.