RE: setting a watchman
September 27, 2017 at 8:52 am
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2017 at 8:56 am by Drich.)
(September 26, 2017 at 1:07 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:(September 26, 2017 at 8:52 am)Drich Wrote: So Ironage/Dark ages is where you put the most civilized most advanced African society. This is the picture all people of African decent should model their behavior after, this is the culture we should all look up to, rather than push on and demand that all cultures here meld together?
Africa was has always been part of the known world with empires through the ages ,you may have heard of Mali and earlier Egypt ever hear of that? you do know some of their rulers were totally black Africans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fif...y_of_Egypt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ki...ial_Africa
You seem to want to lessen the seeming intelligence of Africans and I can only assume its for racist reasons
You don't seem to understand. I am agreeing with you. however I am also pointing out these dynastys were the pinnacles of black society. Take egypt stone to early bronze age. Now imagine a man from that period and what his 'morals" would be his social 'norms' now take that man and place him here and now. do you think he could adapt without help from the current culture? Do you think he could survive/get a job ect??/ do you think he could thrive??? (without help mind you)
Let's give him the benfit of the doubt and say yes.
NOW, take everyone else from that time period and bring them here, do you think as a society without help from the host society/us that everyone would be able to thrive like the first guy did?
No. why because there is a lack of basic infrastructure between bronze age man and post modern age man that is why. ther is 4000 years of culture and society the bronze age men lack.
In essence that is what "we"/white people did to Africans we took them out of an almost pre bronze age society and placed them in a pre industrial with no help to adapt.
Next question. How many generations do you think it would take for those time travelers kids to adapt to post modern/whatever is next society? How long before tribable stuff stops and integration/assimilation begins?
What if there is a push to retain tribal life?
That is what setting a watchman is... It is what we did for 1950's Japan. they literally went from their medieval era/industrial society to post modern in less than 30 years. something that took us many generations to accomplish on our own.
In essence setting a watch man is helping a race 'catch up' and let go the past that amounts to little more than bronze age society.
From that I extrapolate that is why black people in america are not seen as equals. Because whites were made to give up their cultural identities and were given a new identity as American. Meaning no more german americans or dutch americans or english americans and on and on. They were forced to accept everyone else as an american. (names changed photo albums seized, families split apart) All to be citizens.
Then Enter slavery, after emancipation no "watchmen." ultimatly lead to black american push for equality, but did not have the tool or social infrastructure to play on equal footing. then stronger push for segregation/To be identified as African first then American, then to live as a sub sect or sub culture that demands to be seen as the majority. In a country where no other sub culture got such a deal.
All other cultures give up their homes/orgins to become Americans. you ask a former Mexican who hard fought earned his citizenship what nationality he is and proudly will identify as american. the same is true with most all first gen citizens. It is when there is a push to retain the orginal social idenity first does it cause trouble. because again why should i see a man as an equal if I had to give up my ancestors to be an american when this man wants my very same benfits I have, but demands to retain his past and his alliegence to people of like cultural back ground first, and to america as a group after all other obligations are met.
Growing up Korean I saw this all the time. Some of the fresh off the boat Koreans were hell bent on recreating society here. Some like my grand mother never spoke a word of English, as a trade off Koreans like that were limited in how they could interact with others in this country and what people in this country thought and how they interacted with them. so as a result they sought out bigger Korean communities or they went home. however the other type of immigrant wanted to learn what they could and integrate. within a generation they did, and I feel are more welcome/seen as equals that 10th generation black people are. Why? because like white migrants or Latinos they are american first. they do not hold allegiance to their people first. they do not see themselves as a part or share a bond with people who identify as their old social group first. They see them selves as american and are treated as such. it is when a social group like "islamists" (look it up it is a group) want to recreate their home land here that is the problem. Why? look at the regions/countries Islamist come from. they are wanting to force iron age values and an iron age way of life on a post modern society. Not only that they want to be in control. When a minority group will not assimilate but demand equal treatment, they will never be seen as equals even if the law yields and gives them the same rights as those who do yield to society.
(September 26, 2017 at 10:22 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: It's not character assassination when you've been providing all the ammunition yourself, dolt. It's more like assisted suicide.
ammo is moot till someone arm's themselves loads a weapon takes aim and fires the gun... Even so all of that effort does not make a intelligent rebuttal it is simply an attack on an individual rather than the facts of the matter.
Don't get me wrong if I were a coward or was afraid of what people thought of me I would attack you personally rather than address the facts of a scarry topic like this one.