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setting a watchman
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RE: setting a watchman
(September 27, 2017 at 9:55 am)Khemikal Wrote: Jesus christ Drich, you got all of that dead wrong..but I guess that's to be expected.  You aint white.  

Firstly, Japan modernized in the early 19th century and celebrated by colonizing Korea (and other fun stuff). 
actually they weren't modernized till after WWI, in the early 19th century they moved from their medival period skipped the renaunance and victorean ages into what was modern then which was pre industrial, but this was not a culturally supported "age" many held onto "medieval life." Even after Japan still struggled to keep up till after WWI and were given material rich countries to plunder for being on the allies side. At the beginning of WWII they were technologically superior meaning they lead the 1930's world in technology. However post WWII they made no sinfigent advances. We pre WWII were in a post industrial age and after WWII were leading the world being the first to the atomic age.

The point? we brought Japan back from 1920/1930 tech to again the world leader in tech in the 1980s. again 'by setting watchmen.' helping the people to reunify, and adopt our culture so that we may have an ally both in trade and in society. Meaning our values system are relatively the same.


Quote: Their modernization was rapid and self directed,
If it where they why did we spend billions rebuilding that nation from 45 to 52? meaning what do you think we were doing durning that 7 year occupation? did we allow Japan to return to their "modern bishido culture" (pre war culture?) or did we westernize it?

Quote: and this brings us round to the second issue with your brilliant post - no one "adapts" to culture without help...no one,
what are yout talking about? I made several examples of individuals spanning the gap, but groups generally do not as they use each other as a cultural crutch. I even pointed out there are two types of korean people that migrate over. those who want to recreate korea here and those who want to assimilate. The ones who assimilate are seen as equals because they give up the old ways and adapt the american culture, while the others tend to isolate themselves into small social sects and are not seen as equals as they can not fully contribute to society.

Quote:not even the people within the culture.  Just as we teach our own children the rules, and our own underclasses their place - we also treat the outlier to a hefty dose of culture. 
actually you can only teach to the willing. to everyone else you simply demonstrate your culture. can you accept someone who kill and eat your dog if he got out on to another man's property as an equal?

Quote: In the case of african americas (and koreans in the case of japan), we taught them all about our heavy equipment, and the backbone of our economy (lelz).  It wasn't their insistence that they be seen as different but our own that leaves them as such today...and if you ask any black kid in america his nationality...I'm pretty sure he's going to tell you that he;s american..because he is.  Nationality, not race, you fucking idiot. 
guess you never spent 15 years working in the innercity.. the term you are looking for is African or black american sport. why? "because we obey our rules first."

Quote:That a person is african american is the cognitive equivalent of being iorish american, german american, polish merican., or a korean under japanese occupation...etc.  None of us gave up those identities to be americans.
 Omg.. ever hear of Ellis island moron? what happened on ellis island?
http://origins.osu.edu/review/coming-america-contribute
The above light broaches the subject by saying old world hostilities and grevieances were abolished in the 'melting pot' where indivisual's religions, nationalaities and nationalities were erased and forced to conform to the American way of life.

Other books on the subject matter go into great detail from reassigning family names, to splitting up large families assigning one to live in NYC and another group from the same Family to boston or chicago. the would take family bibles, pictures, histories crests, real anything that tied the imigrants to the old country. why? because they were to all be melted down and smelted into americans. NOT German Americans or Korean Americans ect. That is the LAST thing the government wanted because when we went to war with europe and this german american was allowed to keep his deuche-i-ness then he would be more likely to turn coat, or maybe his son would be more likly to turn coat, and maybe take a "knee" rather than charge the german lines like the rest of his unit.

If you still don't think white america did not get ethnically cleansed then clearly you do not know what you are talking about. sure there were hold overs as in a little italy or china town but this I am an itialian first BS does not fly here nationally. Only strict islamists and "African" americans do that on a national level. to which is why I say, as a group they will never be seen as an equal. Indivisual sure all day every day.

For an example I have to jamacian guys working for me. one is hardcore rasta the other great laid back American man. the Rasta is rasta first, then black then last but not least american. he was not american unless the government owed him something. He was an employee for 7+ years and "we" (wife and I) went through it all. with him. his religious group turned on him (because he was on probation and could not light up, and then we asked him not to smoke/weed at work) his family turned on him and we helped him out set him up with an apartment, talked with him hours on end and on and on his needs went. for like 5 years he was falling apart at the seem because he couldn't be mr rasta man. probation ran out then he went full tilt back into his community, and as a statement to us he took two weeks of or as the white man say "no call no show for two weeks without saying anything" just to "let da boss know he not da boss of me." let him go and just so happened another man from jamaica filled his spot (most qualified) This recent hurrican I gave him an extra day off to get his house in order and he was worried about his job. Told no worries just dig out from the storm nothing going on here, he came in anyways just to make sure nothing needed to be done at the shop first.

This guy has been here less than 6months and I see him and an indivisual equal if not surpassing some of the other 'white douche bags' I have working for me.

The point? one man left his past to live here as an american while another want to force rasta culture into his job/into my industry. Sorry, but it does not work that way. I can not perform nor my company can not perform through the rules of Rastafarianism and make a profit. So I can not see the first guy or give the first guy the same respect I give to the second guy.

Quote: We don't have to. 
again upunit europe unified we absolutly did have to segergate and erase indivisual 'white culture' and homognize everyone into "americans" This taking a knee BS personifies why we must be one people and not several in one nation.. Again read the artical is explains why they did erase or the government did it's best to erase the past of the white immigrants.

Quote:I'm not sure why some black kid would have to either. 
to be seen as an equal. to lay the same sacrifice upon the alter of a united/one people nation. to give up the right to personal idenity and become part of one nation. to simply be an american and nothing else first.

Quote: It's a bit disturbing, the specificity of proposed cultural identity that the white population is capable of - knowing the european states from which their ancestors come, even tiny little details and family cannon...and the amount of cultural bric a brac and stereotypes gleefully engaged in by the common white american....
Read your history moron the vast majority of that was taken away, everyone comming through ellis island unless very rich when through an american homogenization process.
Quote:..but a black kid is getting shit from a korean kid...just for being and identifying as black or african in the general.  
yeah that's raceism because someone representing less than 6% of the population has majority control to oppressor mandate anything... but as an american speaking to another american or an american first speaking to something else first I can explain why it is me being literally 1 generation out side of slavery and the first of my generation born in this country is not only accepted in the culture but seen as an equal even though I have been told I look like a fat mexican or a fat indian.

Quote:You're singing the song of your own cultures ancestral oppressors, and felating the same in their american incarnation today.  Guess that makes you one of the good ones.  You, like many racists, pin your racism on a creative revision of history, making the racism itself a less egregious sin compared to the ignorance which underlies it.  It wouldn't be so bad, if it weren't so fucking dumb.
I can cite or provide at least three different links to every position in history I ave represented here. I read alot of stuff. I observe people. and I have live the racial divide you morons are just now discovering my whole life. I know these water and i know the two possible outcomes. And I know we are headed for the wrong one because people like you do not know real documented history. if you do, then like I did please provide links to your version of things... If you can't then maybe take a look at who the revisionist really is... The guy who can provide historical fact.. or the guy spouting popular belief but can only find blogs and commentary on your subject matter.
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setting a watchman - by Drich - September 20, 2017 at 12:41 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by FatAndFaithless - September 20, 2017 at 12:45 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 20, 2017 at 12:54 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by LadyForCamus - September 20, 2017 at 12:55 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Thumpalumpacus - September 20, 2017 at 12:52 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 20, 2017 at 12:59 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Thumpalumpacus - September 20, 2017 at 1:49 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by LadyForCamus - September 20, 2017 at 2:35 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Ravenshire - September 20, 2017 at 6:06 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by brewer - September 21, 2017 at 3:33 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Astreja - September 21, 2017 at 3:06 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Thumpalumpacus - September 21, 2017 at 4:53 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Pat Mustard - September 22, 2017 at 6:02 am
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 23, 2017 at 3:00 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Thumpalumpacus - September 23, 2017 at 5:07 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Amarok - September 23, 2017 at 5:14 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Homeless Nutter - September 20, 2017 at 12:55 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by downbeatplumb - September 20, 2017 at 1:05 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 21, 2017 at 1:14 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Minimalist - September 20, 2017 at 1:18 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 21, 2017 at 1:21 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Divinity - September 20, 2017 at 1:54 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Edwardo Piet - September 20, 2017 at 2:19 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Amarok - September 20, 2017 at 2:27 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Amarok - September 20, 2017 at 2:43 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by chimp3 - September 20, 2017 at 2:49 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 21, 2017 at 2:26 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by chimp3 - September 21, 2017 at 5:53 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Amarok - September 21, 2017 at 6:50 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 23, 2017 at 12:25 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by chimp3 - September 24, 2017 at 9:50 am
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 26, 2017 at 9:42 am
RE: setting a watchman - by Amarok - September 20, 2017 at 2:51 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Edwardo Piet - September 20, 2017 at 5:17 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 21, 2017 at 3:27 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by FatAndFaithless - September 21, 2017 at 3:39 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Mister Agenda - September 20, 2017 at 4:28 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by LadyForCamus - September 20, 2017 at 4:32 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by FatAndFaithless - September 21, 2017 at 1:18 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Thumpalumpacus - September 21, 2017 at 2:36 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 21, 2017 at 4:21 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Crossless2.0 - September 21, 2017 at 5:07 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 21, 2017 at 5:43 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Amarok - September 21, 2017 at 3:54 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 21, 2017 at 4:46 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Joods - September 21, 2017 at 3:55 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Thumpalumpacus - September 21, 2017 at 4:45 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 21, 2017 at 5:24 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Thumpalumpacus - September 21, 2017 at 5:22 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Thumpalumpacus - September 21, 2017 at 5:36 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Aegon - September 21, 2017 at 7:27 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Amarok - September 21, 2017 at 7:45 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Javaman - September 22, 2017 at 4:19 am
RE: setting a watchman - by Joods - September 22, 2017 at 4:21 am
RE: setting a watchman - by JackRussell - September 23, 2017 at 5:23 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Amarok - September 23, 2017 at 5:34 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by downbeatplumb - September 24, 2017 at 9:19 am
RE: setting a watchman - by Shell B - September 23, 2017 at 5:38 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Amarok - September 23, 2017 at 5:44 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by LadyForCamus - September 23, 2017 at 8:17 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by JackRussell - September 24, 2017 at 3:52 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 26, 2017 at 8:52 am
RE: setting a watchman - by downbeatplumb - September 26, 2017 at 1:07 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 27, 2017 at 8:52 am
RE: setting a watchman - by Thumpalumpacus - September 27, 2017 at 9:12 am
RE: setting a watchman - by Amarok - September 23, 2017 at 8:28 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Shell B - September 24, 2017 at 12:18 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Mister Agenda - September 26, 2017 at 9:03 am
RE: setting a watchman - by Thumpalumpacus - September 26, 2017 at 9:12 am
RE: setting a watchman - by Thumpalumpacus - September 26, 2017 at 10:22 am
RE: setting a watchman - by Shell B - September 26, 2017 at 11:36 am
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 27, 2017 at 9:30 am
RE: setting a watchman - by Shell B - September 27, 2017 at 11:29 am
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 27, 2017 at 3:49 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Astreja - September 27, 2017 at 6:28 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Astreja - September 27, 2017 at 1:19 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Divinity - September 26, 2017 at 12:14 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Amarok - September 26, 2017 at 1:47 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by JackRussell - September 26, 2017 at 6:26 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by The Grand Nudger - September 27, 2017 at 9:55 am
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 27, 2017 at 1:32 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by The Grand Nudger - September 27, 2017 at 2:15 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 27, 2017 at 5:22 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by The Grand Nudger - September 27, 2017 at 6:11 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Drich - September 28, 2017 at 12:39 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Astreja - September 28, 2017 at 1:43 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by Shell B - September 28, 2017 at 11:43 am
RE: setting a watchman - by The Grand Nudger - September 28, 2017 at 5:34 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by LastPoet - September 28, 2017 at 5:47 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by rexbeccarox - September 28, 2017 at 6:33 pm
RE: setting a watchman - by LastPoet - September 29, 2017 at 3:04 am
RE: setting a watchman - by Thumpalumpacus - September 28, 2017 at 6:51 pm

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