setting a watchman

[Drich]

I think it;s amusing that you..for example, consider yourself a "we", and that "we" were responsible for Japans innovation in manufacturing in the 80's.

I've always considered myself to be an american, and America rebuilt Japan after the war.

 

One wonders why we all have to learn TPS and 5S now, if "we" taught that to "them".  

maybe cause what we learnt'em only took us to the 1980s. maybe now they are the superior society. eva think of that?

Meanwhile, your imagining that the empire of japan circa 1930-40 was anything -other- than a fully modernized (and world leading innovator) is blatantly ridiculous

read it again sport I acknoweledged pre WWII japan pre war position. What I did not do was attribute any mid or post war delvopements to them. they start the war on top, we bombed them back a few dozen years. That is why our planes ship and proxcimity denotated munitions" blew away their best 1930's stuff (in a mid 40's war)

  We spent money repairing japans infrastructure because we'd recently devastated it, numbskull. 

OMg.. yes sure lock we did why? because we did not wanting them to rebuild another post industrial age bushido war machine again. we occupied that country and drilled in american values to the point they were in alot of ways a carbon copy of us. again that rebuilding is not in dispute sport, that rebuilding is called "Setting a watchman" it taken a broken people and building them up in your own image. That is the reason for me using japan as an example. We set a watch man with japan and built them up in our image in 7 years because they were already advanced.

Blacks were not when they were released. and we did not set a watch man for that race like we did japan.

I think it;s hilarious that you feel that japan was only "westernized" postwar.

because all western armies are build on the Bushido code. that said I never denyed western influence. I simply pointed out at wars end that country was no longer the world leader in anything. we set watchmen and rebuilt that country, the help was welcomed and the country recovered fast. in part because they were already modernized in other part because they accepted the western influence. None of which is true when contrasting freed slaves.

..when they had been seeking and engineering such recognition since before their big coming out party of the Russo Japanese war in '05.  By the time WW2 begins they were already well established as a westernized nation. 

modern is the word you are looking for. westernied in that era refers to white Protestants.

They actively sought to be so, and to be a white(er) nation while they were at it.  Not like the rest of them..koreans and such. 

krea had no say in it's national direction as it was occupied by Japan.
Japan decided what the face of the korean nation/people looked like.

Emulating colonial authority structures was the entire point.........

agreed

Fuck it, fuck it, why am I explaining this to you?  You'll insist on some alternative history that supports your racism, where the white man civilized the yellow savages.  Good boy.  

you are explain this to me because you are trying to not loose any more face. you think I am going in a different direction and by laying claim to what I have already said your trying to reclaim lost dignity.

actually you can only teach to the willing. to everyone else you simply demonstrate your culture. can you accept someone who kill and eat your dog if he got out on to another man's property as an equal?

Gibberish or a seizure?  

actually you can only teach to the willing. (the comment was made that you teach.) my response was:
actually you can only teach to the willing. to everyone else you simply demonstrate your culture. meaning if one is not willing to understand or be taught your culture your efforts in teaching will only be seen as a demonstration of your culture.

Then I give an example:
can you accept someone who kill and eat your dog if he got out on to another man's property as an equal?

Meaning if I teach an american that it is ok to kill and eat a neighbors dog who wanders onto my property, will this be seen as a lesson or a demonstration of a terrible culture? If I insist that my culture should be accepted in america first meaning my right to eat your dog should be made as american as apple pie, could you see me an an equal?

Did I dumb it down enough for ya sport? or do I need to go full on 1st grade?

guess you never spent 15 years working in the innercity.. the term you are looking for is African or black american sport. why? "because we obey our rules first."

-and?  I'm a white american, and an irish american.  Nobody's telling me to tone down my whiteness or all the green.  

they did in the 70s and 80s when that whole irish terrorist (IRA) thing was a thing. when wite irish were send money and guns home to support the IRA your asses were being deported. or is your history only enough of that of pre war japan and korea to call them disparaging names

 Omg.. ever hear of Ellis island moron? what happened on ellis island?
http://origins.osu.edu/review/coming-america-contribute
The above light broaches the subject by saying old world hostilities and grevieances were abolished in the 'melting pot' where indivisual's religions, nationalaities and nationalities were erased and forced to conform to the American way of life.

You mean semi-literate american civil servants who couldn;t properly spell a name?  Yeah, still happens.  

didn't you say that never happens that white people where never made to seperate from their roots?

Which is it sport? did white people have to give up their pasts to becomes apart of the "melting pot" or not?

Other books on the subject matter go into great detail from reassigning family names, to splitting up large families assigning one to live in NYC and another group from the same Family to boston or chicago. the would take family bibles, pictures, histories crests, real anything that tied the imigrants to the old country. why? because they were to all be melted down and smelted into americans. NOT German Americans or Korean Americans ect. That is the LAST thing the government wanted because when we went to war with europe and this german american was allowed to keep his deuche-i-ness then he would be more likely to turn coat, or maybe his son would be more likly to turn coat, and maybe take a "knee" rather than charge the german lines like the rest of his unit.

If you still don't think white america did not get ethnically cleansed then clearly you do not know what you are talking about. sure there were hold overs as in a little italy or china town but this I am an itialian first BS does not fly here nationally. Only strict islamists and "African" americans do that on a national level. to which is why I say, as a group they will never be seen as an equal. Indivisual sure all day every day.

Everybody fucking run for it...we're being white genocided!  Drich, -you- see them as somehow not-or-less american.  You insist that this is their fault.  It isn't..it's just you.  If people like you would stop thinking thoughts like yours...then they wouldn't be seen as different.  

No you fucking idiot I am saying white people were as a pnt of history made to homognize to blend to drop their pasts and become americans first. most american born knew little to nothing of where they came from by design. otherwise we would have had eurpoean wars divided up and fought on our streets here!!!

Now I'm also say ALL Americans who have elected to drop their ancestory in favor of being Americans first take issue with black people who want to identify with africa first. So much was lost so much was given by the incoming immigrants t become Americans even now even today. My cousin on my moms side is supposed to be a prince or some sort of korean royality, he's an american now and manages a toppless bar. I have no idea about any of that stuff other than old Koreans bow to him and before to his father. like wise all sorts of land claims all sorts of titles were lost and gone forever once we became Americans... that is why when a man or a race of men demand we allow them to be what they were before (bronze age warriors) no.. not cool. Now take that attitude and force acceptance or have it thumb it's nose at american heart felt traditions like standing for the flag... Then demand the benfits of being an american.. again not cool I can not will not see a man who has held on to everything to take advantage of the rest of us as an equal.

Do you understand now?

I am using japan's modern social progress as a western nation post war to describe the benfits of having watchmen help guide a broken nation back onto it's feet. so that it works and plays well, that everyone is on the same page because they too inorder to parat of the US had to give up who they were.

Your inability to recognize a difference between cultural syncretism and ethnic cleansing is just another example of the same thing that leads you to believe that slavery and employment are the same things.  

Omg.. your misdiagnosis of the topic would be hilrious if it were not so sad. You are just shooting at key words and phrases, while I am trying to get you to think by using those key words and phrases to build a different arguement. a different way of looking at things... but you like a dog only hear bone then you run around the yard digging for bones rather than trying to see how I am using that word to illustrate a different point.

For an example I have to jamacian guys working for me. one is hardcore rasta the other great laid back American man. the Rasta is rasta first, then black then last but not least american. he was not american unless the government owed him something. He was an employee for 7+ years and "we" (wife and I) went through it all. with him. his religious group turned on him (because he was on probation and could not light up, and then we asked him not to smoke/weed at work) his family turned on him and we helped him out set him up with an apartment, talked with him hours on end and on and on his needs went. for like 5 years he was falling apart at the seem because he couldn't be mr rasta man. probation ran out then he went full tilt back into his community, and as a statement to us he took two weeks of or as the white man say "no call no show for two weeks without saying anything" just to "let da boss know he not da boss of me." let him go and just so happened another man from jamaica filled his spot (most qualified) This recent hurrican I gave him an extra day off to get his house in order and he was worried about his job. Told no worries just dig out from the storm nothing going on here, he came in anyways just to make sure nothing needed to be done at the shop first.

This guy has been here less than 6months and I see him and an indivisual equal if not surpassing some of the other 'white douche bags' I have working for me.

The point? one man left his past to live here as an american while another want to force rasta culture into his job/into my industry. Sorry, but it does not work that way. I can not perform nor my company can not perform through the rules of Rastafarianism and make a profit. So I can not see the first guy or give the first guy the same respect I give to the second guy.

How much time do you spend assessing your ethnic equals and inferiors?   

in this case about 7 years with the first guy and about 6 months with the new guy. because I take every single situation and plot progress, to see if a relationship is strengthening or failing.

again upunit europe unified we absolutly did have to segergate and erase indivisual 'white culture' and homognize everyone into "americans" This taking a knee BS personifies why we must be one people and not several in one nation.. Again read the artical is explains why they did erase or the government did it's best to erase the past of the white immigrants.

Oh for fucks sake, you wanna talk football?  Pass. 

to be seen as an equal. to lay the same sacrifice upon the alter of a united/one people nation. to give up the right to personal idenity and become part of one nation. to simply be an american and nothing else first.

I'm not sure that being seen as an equal by you is really all that enticing.  

Read your history moron the vast majority of that was taken away, everyone comming through ellis island unless very rich when through an american homogenization process.

"Ethnic cleansing" indeed........

thousands died on that island hundreds of thousands were turned back millions had their social identity erased, families split, historical records destroyed. no different than any mass imgration

yeah that's raceism because someone representing less than 6% of the population has majority control to oppressor mandate anything... but as an american speaking to another american or an american first speaking to something else first I can explain why it is me being literally 1 generation out side of slavery and the first of my generation born in this country is not only accepted in the culture but seen as an equal even though I have been told I look like a fat mexican or a fat indian.

You aren't talking about america or americans.

I am not talking about your america the part of america that has lost both the house and senate, and the oval office. I am talking about literally everyone else.

  You're talking about black people.

  black indivisuals no. as I poined out in the op indivisuals can and do assimilate on their own. Groups however tend to use others in the group as a crutch as stay or seek out ethnic purity with in their own group.

Some black americans..apparently, you see as less american, and inferior for what you perceive to be their cultural blackness.  

No again. I simply point out that some black american see themselves as black first then american. Here morgan freedman says the same thing. maybe you can put your bigotry down long enough for "god" to explain things to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcLj2CVC1VU

Yeah.........that's racism.  You don't have a problem owning slavery, I don't see why you'd try to negotiate here.  

Why should I change my view when what I have come to understand explains everything so perfectly.

I can cite or provide at least three different links to every position in history I ave represented here. I read alot of stuff. I observe people. and I have live the racial divide you morons are just now discovering my whole life. I know these water and i know the two possible outcomes. And I know we are headed for the wrong one because people like you do not know real documented history. if you do, then like I did please provide links to your version of things... If you can't then maybe take a look at who the revisionist really is... The guy who can provide historical fact.. or the guy spouting popular belief but can only find blogs and commentary on your subject matter.

You should read other stuff.
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read what? the crap minnie reads? where the constitution should be abolished that it is outdated?? is that crap you read?

No thanks I like real history.