(September 27, 2017 at 8:15 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:(September 27, 2017 at 7:53 pm)SteveII Wrote: That's absolutely false. Not even close--even if you espouse naturalism. You can study mathematics, logic, philosophy, language, art, aesthetics, morality, human rights, etc--all not science. For crying out loud, science itself relies on a particular philosophy of science to even get off the ground--which is not itself science. CL was right. Science is the study of the natural world. By definition it cannot even comment on the supernatural.
That’s bullshit. Science studies whether logic is justified by any demonstrably effective application. Without what falls under the preview of science logic is nothing. Science studies whether particular mode of thinking and reasoning leads to the ends by which these modes are justified. Without that Philosophy is just masterbation. Science studies the neurology of appreciation for beauty, that is the ultimate master of aesthetics. Science assesses whether morality leads to the end by which morality is justified, without this morality is just opinionated assholes opinionating. Even the ultimate desire that motivates humans in any aspect of their behavior at their most basic level is subject to science. Science studies what social construct will lead to the desire end, and without this human rights is so much hot air.
Science studies whether any human conceit, be it morality, language, mathematics, logic, philosophy, aesthetics, art, has any validity in the sense of doing even a little bit of that by which it is said to be justified. And science studies why that conceit arises in the first place at the most fundamental level at which any human thoughts and conceit can be said to form.
If it is there in any sense or reality, science studies it.
Oh, boys, what garbage I have to hear.
Science, science, science all over the place but you haven't got a tiny idea where science start and when it end.
You don't even know that philosophy lead far far away from the atheistic idea that there is no God.
Science is a journey to discovering the unknown.
Every discovery is science whether it relate to the study of the physical universe, physical body, the mental stratum or the spiritual stratum.
It has no limits.
If you try to create some dogmas by putting limits to science then is clear that your mind is full of dust.
One day in the far future you will discover that there are limits with the physical science so you naturally will have to go over the border of this physical science and enter the arena or dimension of a different science that will take you over the physical limitation but considering that you are still stuck in a form of physical-mental science then it will take a long long time to exit this dogma that science has nothing to do with the discovering of the self.
