Perspectives on Evolution

[bennyboy]

Failing to object to a gene pool being a thing, you're now quibbling about whether or not evolution is a process...that happens to that thing.  

I do object, but if you want to call it a thing, then that's just how you use the word. You can call every 3rd Sunday a thing if you want, but it doesn't really do much for your argument.

You're quibbling with what can be and has been demonstrated.......the theory of evolution...is not the idea that change occurs in a gene pool........that's one of the supporting facts.

Are you sure you're responding to me? That's not how I define evolution.

Just yes, Benny.  The composition of the material outside of your spaceship changes.....as your spaceship goes to different locations...with different shit in them.  Just as if you drive your car through a city, there are different people all around your car.  The people around you, like the rocks around you..aren't "changing in a relative sense" unless this is a weasel term with no specific meaning in context other than what was already implied in being in a moving vehicle.  A useless deepity if ever there were one...and not even remotely competent as an objection to evolution being a process of change.

No it's not. There's no process by which the things outside the spaceship change except perspective. You are moving THROUGH glass clouds, PAST stars, and so on-- they are not morphing in complex ways around your ship for your entertainment.

Or if you take a core sample from the Earth, you can say how the mineral composition "changes" as you go deeper and deeper.  But it isn't, really, because it's your perspective that changes, not the actual thing.

If you say so.

Pretty sure I just did. Your core sample is a static object, and it does not change based on where you choose to move your eyes-- or do you think it does?

You're right, it's perceptual..it's not like anything grew wings and flew or anything......jesus fucking christ.  Is the difference between me and my children "perceptual"..or are you willing to allow that they are not clones?

You and your children are different objects. You did not change into them.

You -started- with loon semantics..and haven't stopped.  Yes, species adapt.  Being replaced by better adapted members is -how- that species adapts. This is natural selection..part of the process we call evolution.

Then a species is not the sum total of members matching a genetic blueprint or a phenotype. Your bucket is broken.

If you put your bucket over your head, would you claim that the world got dark? Or would you say-- nothing's just, I just can't see the same things because my perspective is now inside a bucket?