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Views beyond Atheism
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RE: Views beyond Atheism
I wouldn't say none do either though. I'd say some do some don't. And to what degree; just like everyone else. Although religion does generally have a negative impact yes, it can also scare people into being more 'reasonable' I'm sure. But then they would be being tolerant on the OUTSIDE while on the inside they might be really pissed off and actually secretly be very intolerant and have a very fucked up attitude, etc. (As Dawkins says, to paraphrase: if you're good simply because you are afraid of God, then isn't that a more IGNOBLE reason for being good than to be good because you care about people, you feel empathy?)

I wouldn't say that they're not Christians if they're 'not following their religion correctly'. Define correctly. And HOW correctly? How specific? And because also: there are many different kinds of Christians. And it's impossible to follow it all COMPLETELY correctly, I mean the amount of sins and the fact you're practically not supposed to do ONE without repenting them all, practically - and the amount of demands in the bible. It would kind of make NO ONE Christian if you had to do that.

No, I'd say that I think since there are different types of Christians (and Christianity) and Christians differ that the only requirement is the true basics (such as God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Satan, Heaven and Hell, etc)...

OR: I think perhaps the only real requirement is belief in God and...: Christ - and follower of Christ. Perhaps they don't even have to be believe in afterlife etc, it's just about Christ (and God). That's why they're a ChristIAN.

Otherwise if it's not just about God and Christ to be CHRISTian - where is the cut-off point for how many 'Christian beliefs' you have to hold firmly in order to be considered truly 'Christian'?

I think if you believe in God and Christ, you're a follower of Christ - then I'd say that makes you Christian.

EvF

EDIT:
fr0d0 Wrote:Hate superstition (it's anti faith dontchaknow Wink)

Faith=belief in things without evidence.

Superstition is never believed in WITH evidence (there isn't any, it's just superstition) only WITHOUT evidence.

So faith=belief without evidence. Superstition is believed only WITHOUT evidence, hence superstition is only believed in with faith - it is only believed on faith.

You need faith to believe in a superstition because there is no evidence for it, it's superstitious bullshit - so I don't see exactly how superstition is anti-faith if it can only be believed WITH faith, and ON faith?
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Views beyond Atheism - by Sponge - May 10, 2009 at 5:53 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 10, 2009 at 6:10 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by WWLD - May 10, 2009 at 6:22 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 10, 2009 at 6:30 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by WWLD - May 10, 2009 at 6:33 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 10, 2009 at 7:25 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Sponge - May 10, 2009 at 7:36 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 10, 2009 at 7:50 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Sponge - May 10, 2009 at 7:55 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 10, 2009 at 8:09 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 10, 2009 at 8:10 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 10, 2009 at 8:14 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 10, 2009 at 8:22 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Sponge - May 10, 2009 at 8:16 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Demonaura - May 10, 2009 at 8:27 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Sponge - May 10, 2009 at 8:30 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 10, 2009 at 8:31 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Tiberius - May 10, 2009 at 8:36 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Sponge - May 10, 2009 at 8:38 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 12, 2009 at 5:43 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 10, 2009 at 8:38 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 10, 2009 at 8:45 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 10, 2009 at 8:54 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 10, 2009 at 9:02 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by leo-rcc - May 11, 2009 at 4:30 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Giff - May 11, 2009 at 7:56 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 11, 2009 at 8:03 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by g-mark - May 11, 2009 at 8:07 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 11, 2009 at 8:25 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Giff - May 11, 2009 at 8:12 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Giff - May 11, 2009 at 8:27 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 11, 2009 at 8:38 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 11, 2009 at 5:05 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 11, 2009 at 5:19 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 11, 2009 at 6:53 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 11, 2009 at 8:04 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Giff - May 12, 2009 at 4:06 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 12, 2009 at 2:56 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2009 at 3:55 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 12, 2009 at 4:09 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2009 at 7:14 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Sam - May 12, 2009 at 5:21 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 12, 2009 at 7:24 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2009 at 7:48 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 12, 2009 at 7:54 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2009 at 8:01 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 12, 2009 at 8:05 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2009 at 8:10 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 12, 2009 at 8:22 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2009 at 8:33 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 12, 2009 at 8:44 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2009 at 6:16 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 13, 2009 at 6:26 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2009 at 6:59 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 13, 2009 at 7:08 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2009 at 7:25 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Giff - May 14, 2009 at 4:04 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 14, 2009 at 3:55 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 14, 2009 at 7:52 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Giff - May 14, 2009 at 9:46 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 14, 2009 at 9:58 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by g-mark - May 14, 2009 at 11:10 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Kyuuketsuki - May 14, 2009 at 3:34 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 14, 2009 at 3:58 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 14, 2009 at 5:37 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 14, 2009 at 6:21 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 15, 2009 at 3:46 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 15, 2009 at 3:51 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 15, 2009 at 4:14 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 15, 2009 at 7:14 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 16, 2009 at 2:55 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 16, 2009 at 7:16 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 17, 2009 at 5:52 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 17, 2009 at 8:54 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 17, 2009 at 1:12 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Darwinian - May 17, 2009 at 1:15 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Kyuuketsuki - May 17, 2009 at 3:10 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 17, 2009 at 1:34 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 17, 2009 at 2:27 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 17, 2009 at 3:01 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 17, 2009 at 3:45 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 17, 2009 at 4:07 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Kyuuketsuki - May 17, 2009 at 5:11 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 17, 2009 at 6:41 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 17, 2009 at 7:04 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 18, 2009 at 4:42 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 18, 2009 at 11:03 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 19, 2009 at 3:42 am
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 19, 2009 at 6:40 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by fr0d0 - May 20, 2009 at 1:52 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by g-mark - May 20, 2009 at 2:01 pm
RE: Views beyond Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - May 20, 2009 at 2:35 pm

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