(October 5, 2017 at 10:56 am)mlmooney89 Wrote: You are going way further into this than I was with him. I agreed on your point that we need harder ways to get guns earlier in the thread but with that point made we started a second kind of conversation of why to carry them. You are jumping in trying to tie it to the original point which we aren't, well I'm not. This isn't about who should have them or how to get them I was just comparing two things that can save your life in certain situations but not all.
Ok gotcha....
I am with anyone on either side whom agree that firearms should not be so easily obtained.
Right, firearms are used to save lives, and have. I am not denying that. But again, I posted an article stating the data.
It is a myth that all conflicts end up with Roy Rogers riding off in the sunset.
It is a myth that firearm use will result in the good guy winning all the time.
It is still far more likely that you will hurt yourself or someone you know in your own home, than successfully defending yourself from a complete stranger.
Yes guns are used to save lives. But I don't think there are enough whom understand the training and responsibility needed to increase the chances when using one. There is a huge difference between mere intent, and actual training. There is a huge difference between a layperson stupidly thinking it is about hitting a target, and the muscle training firing under stress which cops and military have to CONSTANTLY maintain.
I think far too much of the industry marketing is about entitlement and macho and Roy Rogers.
It still remains the biggest firearm death count is from legally purchased firearms that end up in suicide. The second is from legally purchased firearms that end up in family violence. The third number is kids finding their parent's legally purchased firearm or accidental.
But, if you agree firearms should be harder to obtain, I can live with that, because that is a start.
If that is the case with you, I'd trust you to shoot an apple off of my head.......Ok, maybe not, but it does mean we are not as far off as we think, or I think.
So my solution is to round up any firearm owner, and force them to listen to ABBA 24/7.
JEW WANNA PIECE OF ME, PUT EM UP PUT EM UP
And Gawdzilla can bite me too......
