What does the science data say about firearms?

[Brian37]

I'm not quick to call for restriction of technology, but I see no use for bump fire stocks other than entertainment and to facilitate mass shooting. They reduce accuracy and are prone to cause barrels to overheat, which is why he needed so many rifles. They can produce the thrill of automatic fire and are handy for putting a lot of bullets into broad area in a short time, and that's about it.

There are more ways than the bump/slide stock. Actually, if you practice, you can accomplish the simulation of full auto with no assisting device. But forget about hitting a damn thing. 

I agree, which is when anyone brings up riffles or handguns saying there are ways around model limits is a dodge. NO shit, but that still does not excuse "sell more and do nothing"

The Va Tech shooter used to handguns, and murdered what 30? 

Yes individuals will look to modify anything. This is as stupid as claiming hackers exist so therefor anyone whom wants to do something about hacking is anti computer.

It still amounts to access regardless. 

My issue is not firearm ownership itself. My issue is the fear marketing by the NRA and the firearm corporations. 

It is the same delusional denial of climate change you get from coal and oil "You hate the private sector".....NO I am saying what you are doing isn't helping.

If "sell more and do nothing" worked, we would not see this happen over and over and over.

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If that is the case with you, I'd trust you to shoot an apple off of my head.......Ok, maybe not, but it does mean we are not as far off as we think, or I think.

I can't shoot an apple off your head because I would never try that BUT I can shoot a playing card off a pole and I aced all tests I've been put through. I've got pretty good grouping actually and have since high school. The next part is I have a gun that has a laser pointer on it so I know exactly where I'm aiming. The last part is I am on that knows that gun only comes out in 100% emergencies that I KNOW I won't hurt an innocent party. My sister walking with me and someone comes up to us? Gun stays in my belt because I'm not risking her life if he jumps on me while I'm aiming. If they are already attacking me and I don't have time to grab my gun I won't go for it. I would rather get mugged than shoot a bad guy. Give them the money and let them leave. The gun is if throwing my money at them doesn't work and I have room to stop them. I wouldn't have brought my gun out during the theater shooting back in 2012 and I wouldn't have during Vegas. Carrying a gun should come with being taught these things. (Also I don't ever intend to use my gun inside my house, I have a large machete for that)

I have no doubt you have. But target shooting is still not the same as the muscle training under stress that police and military have to constantly maintain.

And again, when you say, "Only use it as a last resort", I am not talking about you. I am talking about HOW firearms are marketed. If 100% of civilians went into a firearm buy knowing the risks and had your attitude, I would not be bitching. But again, the fact that we have 36,000 firearm related deaths per year tells me not everyone who buys one takes them as seriously as you do.

That is why I agree with you that firearms should not be so easy to obtain.

FYI, any police officer will tell you if you get a gun stuck to your head in a robbery, the best thing to do is give them what they want. If someone already has a gun aimed at you, the odds of pulling your gun on them before they pull the trigger and shoot them first is mighty slim. It isn't a video game.

When police or military face a armed conflict they have warning and training.

If you keep your firearm locked up at home, GOOD FOR YOU, but even then, if someone breaks into your house, they are not going to wait for you to check your combo to allow a tumble weed duel at the O.K. Corral,  where both know it is coming. 

Even outside stranger crime, if a neighbor, or family member gets angry at you or is greedy and wants to use a firearm, just like a shark stalking a seal you wont see it coming.

But even muggers work like that. They are not going to announce on a PA speaker, or send you a text and say, "Hey I want your shit and I am going to use a gun to force you to give it to me." They are going to sneak up on you before you can draw your weapon.


Point is, I like you, you are far more reasonable than lots of firearm owners I run into. But I am not talking about you as a single person. I am talking about how the data does not point to a perfect utopia where the good guy always wins.