RE: Enlightened rants...
October 17, 2017 at 11:01 am
(This post was last modified: October 17, 2017 at 11:06 am by Mystic.)
(October 17, 2017 at 10:51 am)pocaracas Wrote:(October 17, 2017 at 10:49 am)MysticKnight Wrote: God is known through his name, his beautiful Names are what succeed the Name of God, and the beautiful names of God associated with each other in the mission to make humans glorify God much and remember him much are a "family". God out of his wisdom (which I showed reasons why) also makes them physically related and branches linking back to a root, lest people claim what they want of this leadership as it is already bad enough people disbelieving it and giving authority to the oppressive idol and sorcery on the hearts.
And if you obey the Captains who are God's beautiful names, you obey God. There are no other means to God but through his door he appoints.
All holy books will be misinterpreted unless we go to it to understand it and we will err on our own without help from God's appointed leaders, and his appointed leaders' interpretations are needed to support our case!
But trace it back to the original "appointed leader".
How was that person appointed leader?
How do we know that?
Good questions. Yet AtlasS33 and I agree on Mohammad so this not what we are debating.
But it all comes to down to recognizing God. If you recognize God, you will recognize something proves him. The question is what is that thing. To me the best book in guidance that clarifies his proof and the path to him, and hence is best in guidance, is ultimately from God.
So how do you recognize God or what is best in guidance or what is his proof. No easy answer.
Quran has a Surah called "the manifest proof". It says during that time it was a Messenger who recites them God's signs....
What does rest of Quran say about proof. It is one of the most repeated things in Quran.
How the hell - is a man or a Messenger a proof for God? Right?
This is what you are thinking, and this is exactly why Mohammad had a constriction on his heart.
Beyond the Unseen realms of Angels he stood, yet on earth he walked, and his light extended to all human beings, what does this all mean?
Its no easy answer. The truth of Quran is strange so strange most Muslims can't digest it despite it being clear and repeated and Surahs and Surahs on themes and themes regarding this.
All I ask you is to consider, what truly is goodness but following guidance, and what guidance can be true but that leads somewhere, and where can that guidance come from and lead but that which is perfect vision and the perfect judge - the source of all goodness, greatness, and beauty.
The guidance of God is the guidance to me proves God, but not only that proves, divine books, but not only that, Messengers coupled with them, not only that, but a time to unite humanity on a revelation from, there would be Successors to a Messenger who are divinely appointed leaders but not Messengers.
"guidance from God, it is the guidance" has the moral argument in it that proves God but also furthermore proves religion, and furthermore proves God guiding to that religion with precision, which proves even he would prove a number and clarification to the successors.
(October 17, 2017 at 11:00 am)drfuzzy Wrote:(October 17, 2017 at 10:55 am)Khemikal Wrote: Then get your appointed leader in here to explain it to us and stop predictably failing?
"All holy books with be misinterpreted". Definitely.
And this is ultimate proof that the claimed "supernatural" authors of those holy books -- creatures who are usually claimed to be the creator of everything that is, billions upon billions of galaxies -- have less ability to communicate their wishes and desires than your average 8-year-old-child. Pathetic. No other argument is needed. Until this so-called "god" can actually make itself clearly understood to all humans, without misinterpretation, it is not worthy of a second's attention, much less worship.
There are levels of understanding and knowledge. So a book that wishes humans to traverse as many steps as they are capable of, is not going to be like your average book. It needs interpreters and guides.