(October 19, 2017 at 10:53 am)MysticKnight Wrote: This is a good question. The point is what are we supposed to when such a guide doesn't materialize.
I believe the following is what Quran advocates:
"No giving authority to anyone else in that time" which means democratic anarchy, which is the form of "government" or "organizing society affairs" I came to believe during my time as a Deist.
It means no clergy class, but we all must come to learn the religion, teach it to others what we know and learn from others, through insight, not authority top-down structure.
And this is necessary, because, the Guide will not materialize if his materialization is not beneficial but the opposite to humanity.
So if such a Guide is not present among the people but hidden, we have to ask why? And the Quran elaborates why.
But what we Shiites have done is do everything Quran and the family of Guidance warned not to do, we given religious authority to fallible people, attributed purity to people without clear proofs from God, and we follow innovations instead of what God has brought down and the elaborated by the Messenger and guarded by those who truly possess the authority from humanity.
And the point is, it is saying, we did something wrong when the Guides were present, and it is a time to correct ourselves or further perish, as a test from God. We have failed the test and until a generation stops following the previous generations in their way of misguidance, we will continue distance ourselves from the Guide and God.
Democratic Anarchy ? oh God.
Deist? Oh God, repeat and rewind, and I thought I've seen it all !
Where did you snatch that concept from; missionary troll? are the 12 guides a "democratic anarchy"? or did you change your personality to the "political Hamza" to run away like a troll from the question I asked:
Quote:Quote: AtlasS33 said:
Answer any of these.
And no gymnastics or textual walls ! no implicit answers!
Just give me one verse, across the 600 pages of the Quran that mentions any of the 5 questions' answers.
AtlasS33 said:
I'll give you many options; all prove your religion if you answer them:
1- A verse mentioning "Ali" by the name.
2-A verse mentioning "Hasaen" by the name.
3-A verse mentioning "Hussain" by the name.
4-A verse mentioning the 12 divine imams that we must follow
5-A verse mentioning the last imam that you and your cult believe will rule the universe or whatever -Imam Mahdy-
Your Shiite Twelver belief, that you spam me and others with, is now "democratic anarchy"??
Do you know what that even means ? I doubt it, because a kinder garden reject would tell you that your faith is something totally different than anything related to democracy, and has everything to do with dictatorship and outdated sick concepts.
No clergy class, you lying troll? then what are the 12 imams you're spamming us with, then?
The balded part just demolishes every word you wrote earlier; troll. Carry a book; because I doubt you can even read. You only stalk forums, copy-catting like a proper troll. You're not even worth my time; take the shower I told you to take, collect the cash from your Shiite missionary organization for your keyboard Jihadi efforts, watch porn, and play some simple minded people around. Live the troll dream.
Democratic Anarchy -_- Deist. Schizophrenia. You are mr Everything!