(October 23, 2017 at 2:28 pm)SteveII Wrote:(October 19, 2017 at 11:02 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: You consistently claim to have shown things that you have not indeed shown. You're the biggest braggart on the block. Regardless, I've shown in the past that the notion of a greatest conceivable being is incoherent, though you didn't understand the last time so I'm not optimistic that explaining it again will help. When you say that God is the greatest conceivable being, you're saying that God has all the good qualities. But goodness is a subjective judgement, so greatest possible being is a judgement made up of subjective judgements. For every subjective judgement that says X is a great making quality, there is an equally valid subjective judgement which says that X is a bad making quality. The reason is because qualities and properties are neither good or bad in and of themselves, they only become so when a subject attaches a value to them. You cannot construct a greatest anything out of properties that are inherently neutral. So "greatest conceivable being" has no meaning other than as a religious catchphrase.
Greatest Conceivable Being theology does not define God as having all the "good" qualities. It defines God as having all "great-making" properties. Moral perfection is better than moral defect. We don't actually need to know what moral perfection is, only that it is better than moral defect (which is obviously so). So, no subjective judgement needed on our part.
No, Steve, it's not "obvious" that this is so, because it's not true at all. In the sense of being an objective fact, it is simply not true that moral perfection is better than moral imperfection. The universe as a whole could care less whether you are morally perfect or not. The universe is indifferent to questions of moral perfection. To it, the one is just as good as the other. If the universe doesn't care one way or the other, then it is not an objective fact. You have utterly failed to provide any so-called great-making property, because there are none. Perhaps in the eyes of a thinking being, one property is "better" than another. But in the eyes of the universe, one is just as good as another.