(November 6, 2017 at 11:23 am)possibletarian Wrote: But torturing them for eternity is insane.
Why? You just say that without giving reasoning.
Quote:If that were the case, it's not problematic seeing as God is the creator.
Well for me this is all hypothetical more of an insight into just how far people are wiling to go once they believe.
Quote:So 'for god so loved the world' and ' desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth' is actually a little less clear ?
Yes, he desires all men to come to the truth. That doesn't mean that those who refuse the truth are his beloved children.
Quote:for a god who loves the world and desires everyone to come to the knowledge of the truth he is acting very oddly. He is responsible for all creation and everything that happens within it, after all we are all his creation, and therefore his responsibility.
Yes, and he deals with us either in grace or in righteousness.
Quote:Well if that were true he could have cut off pro creation as soon as sin occurred, you can't argue a point for yourself, then say 'so what' to the same argument for other believers without resorting to the good old 'his ways are not our ways' get out of jail free card.
You're arguing that he should have. It's not problematic for me to note that he could have.
(November 6, 2017 at 11:11 am)alpha male Wrote: Yes the writer had realised at this time that Jesus perhaps was not returning soon not willing to admit perhaps they had been had, began to make excuses, a quick read of the new testament will quickly show you how the churches of the time had already began to fall apart.
That has nothing to do with my point. It's just a red herring.
