Enlightened rants...

[WinterHold]

I refuse to fear God for the sake of love of myself.  If I Worship God for my self-interest than the worthy goal (God) of life in itself and myself are equated and that would be Shirk. That would be valuing myself on par with God.

If I fear God, it would be out of the knowledge that he cares and loves, and does not want me to enter hell out of his absolute compassion and love, and it would be due to the preference of him forgiving and rewarding over that of vengeance and punishing. And it would be due to not wanting to be ungrateful to his guidance to us, through the reminder and it's family, not because I hate the idea of being ungrateful as injustice to myself, but because I find God worthy of love of praise and gratitude and that his gift of guidance towards him and making his beautiful names the means to him, is the greatest grace that reflects his great nature.

My creed is that of love, and any fear is only from it.

But the Quran tells you to fear him, out of care and love for the benefit of yourself:

Sura 31, The Quran:
( 12 )   And We had certainly given Luqman wisdom [and said], "Be grateful to Allah." And whoever is grateful is grateful for [the benefit of] himself. And whoever denies [His favor] - then indeed, Allah is Free of need and Praiseworthy.
( 13 )   And [mention, O Muhammad], when Luqman said to his son while he was instructing him, "O my son, do not associate [anything] with Allah. Indeed, association [with him] is great injustice."

And also; please answer these questions before you try to convince me with something else, because it's about a month now without an answer:

Answer any of these.
And no gymnastics or textual walls ! no implicit answers!
Just give me one verse, across the 600 pages of the Quran that mentions any of the 5 questions' answers.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-51114-p...pid1638653

AtlasS33 said:

I'll give you many options; all prove your religion if you answer them:
1- A verse mentioning "Ali" by the name.
2-A verse mentioning "Hasaen" by the name.
3-A verse mentioning "Hussain" by the name.
4-A verse mentioning the 12 divine imams that we must follow
5-A verse mentioning the last imam that you and your cult believe will rule the universe or whatever -Imam Mahdy-