(November 13, 2017 at 1:25 pm)Hammy Wrote:(November 13, 2017 at 12:44 pm)wallym Wrote: I'm not talking about the OP position. I'm talking about the other discussion you engaged in about using phrases that are the primary slur to dehumanize various subgroups, and whether or not that's okay. Retard, Faggot, Cunt, etc...
You can say "I called a person retarded, but I didn't mean intellectually disabled" so the mentally disabled population shouldn't take offense. Even though the reason you using retarded is considered an insult at all, is because it's association with dehumanizing the mentally disabled.
If I put the confederate flag on top of my car's roof because I like the Dukes of Hazard, it's absurd to think because my intent is to show I'm a fan of a tv show, black people getting offended because I'm displaying a symbol under which their ancestors were enslaved is now moot? It's just a laughable level of self-absorption to come to that conclusion.
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Now to answer my guess at "Why?" that Shadow asked. Your personality is offputting. But if you frame calling people Cunts as a virtue, as it's part of your noble goal to unabashedly present the truth, then who's fault is it that people find you offputting? You're really a victim to your own lofty principles in that scenario. Others are just too weak and lack the backbone to call a spade a spade, as you say. If my brain were trying to spin reality to help me cope, I'd hope it could come up with something as good as that.
The problem with the story is that it invests you pretty heavily in the conclusion calling people cunts and retarded is a noble action. And that's where I think you're ability to look at things objectively gets 'cut off at the knees.' You can't be the tortured hero if you're causing unnecessary harm to large groups of innocent people because it's super important you call someone a Cunt instead of a Jerk. You could have said "Fuck them. I don't care if the intellectually disabled are offended." but that doesn't fit the narrative. Instead you went with "They shouldn't be offended." Once again, your alleged flaw is not a flaw at all, and actually the fault of someone else's shortcoming. In this case their taking offense when they shouldn't.
Obviously, this is all wild and mostly unfounded guessing. But I find this sort of thing very interesting.
You fail to recognize the fact the word 'retarded' has multiple meanings and isn't merely a slur. It is not the case with words like 'nigger'.
Your analogies are retarded, for instance.
And I am not saying you are talking about the OP position. Although you should be because it's the topic. And I was talking about the OP position that I disagreed with when I listed the words that I have no problem with using in what your post is responding to. You do appear to be disingenuous as fuck with a shady agenda, and the fact you also appear to be the type that wants a safe space and thinks it's a good idea to sugarcoat things or that it means you're bigoted if you use certain words, all falls rather in line with that, IMO.
And Lomd is right, using strong words is more of a sign of passion than anything, generally.
Like I said, when people say these things it's usually because they genuinely think these things . . . it's being brutally honest, not being anti-discussion. It's those that seem to think that every opinion has to have an ulterior motive aside from speaking one's mind that I personally find rather questionable.
People find multiple meanings for lots of things. I can wear a shirt with a big ole swastika on it, and tell people it's okay, because it's a 5000 year old symbol and I'm not intending it to represent the nazi germany swastika. Same with the confederate flag. But that would be deliberately obtuse.
I am curious what you think my agenda is. This discussion isn't of much importance. Just a bit of jibber jabber to pass the time.
As for safe space and such. People can say what they want. I used to say retard/faggot years ago. But it became clear that groups that have had a rough go found it hurtful, so I stopped. Because it costs me literally nothing. So the choice is to give up something of no value or continue to cause harm to people unnecessarily.
I don't think most people are being bigoted. I think they're just self-centered and delusional. I do like seeing how people rationalize that, though.