Theism is literally childish

[Brian37]

You are conflating religious indoctrination with how you raise children. I am specifically referring to religious indoctrination. Most christians do not raise their children solely through religious indoctrination. Although we do see horrendous cases when parents actually do. Your very argument is that "99% of childhood moral guidelines are exactly the same as a non-religious family", which means that your objection is irrelevant because I specifically referred to religious conditioning.

Maybe you should actually try countering the point I actually made though that if you are taught to accept a morality without question rather than taught to think through the morality of your actions then you are being conditioned to obey authority and have faith rather than ask why. Your argument is that a religious parent is still capable of teaching morality, but if you believe that morality is absolute and has been described in the Bible then it cannot be adequately justified. This teaches the child to use a get-out clause for any of its moral decisions later on in life. i.e. Because the bible says so.

By all means, continue to tell me more about "what I was taught to think."

You must believe we are all really shitty parents and had really shitty parents if you think we are simply teach/were taught "don't do this because the bible says so," and that's it. That's called bigotry. Also, I was NEVER "taught" to use a "get out clause" for any of my moral decisions. That's ridiculous, but thanks for telling me what my parents taught me and what I believe and how I am and how I act.

Hey, how about you actually test your unflattering claim before making it and applying it to all of us? I'm serious, let's do this. Take something that is accepted as morally wrong in Christianity and ask ANY Christian here "hey, why is this particular action immoral?" And see if the answer is "because the bible says so." Go ahead. There are entire books written about moral theology which explains in detail why certain things are morally wrong. There are entire philosophy books on Natural Law. It is extremely important to teach a child the why behind morality. Let any Christian parent here tell you otherwise.

CL NOBODY here is arguing that you truly believe morality comes from the bible and the Christian God. We accept that you truly think that and hold that position.

WHAT WE DOUBT is your perception of reality.

Muslims would claim that Allah is the source of morality and the Koran as well.

Jews would claim that Yahweh is the real source of human morality.

Buddhists would argue that Buddha would explain human morality.

What we argue is that human behavior, GOOD OR BAD, isn't a result of old holy writings of any label. It certainly is popular that most humans like believing in their respective clubs as being the patent holder of our species morality sure. But popularity does not constitute fact.

The reality of where human behaviors are coming from is as easy as understanding your own pets.

If you raise a dog in isolation and don't give it much social interaction from a young age with other animals or humans, it is far more likely to fear the unfamiliar. However, if you adapt a cat and dog as a kitten and puppy at the same time and socialize them with other animals and humans, they will see others as resources and good, and be far more likely to cooperate and show empathy.

Humans are no different. We evolved to be a social species, but because our species started out in scientific darkness long before written language, we evolved in fear and developed bad guesses to explain the world around us, and feared other tribes. We see the same social divisions in other primates too, different troops unfamiliar with each other are far more likely to fight.

We DON'T DOUBT that you hold the position that the bible explains morality, we are saying that is not where human behaviors are explained. There is no magic cosmic battle between a man in a rob vs a man with a pitchfork. There are only old books of mythology and old holy writings worldwide humans simply still wish explained reality.

No it isn't sexy or romantic. But if you can accept that Osiris and Horis and Isis don't explain human morality, then you should be able to scrutinize your own claims.

I SEE evolution as the reason we can do good and be good. But it is also the reason we can be very cruel too. I simply reject all the claims of antiquity as being a valid explanation to our species behaviors, good or bad.

Every religion can point to stories of compassion and kindness yes. That says to me, that humans, not the religion itself, but humans are doing it but unfortunately chalking it up to very bad gap answers.