(November 28, 2017 at 11:45 pm)speedyj1992 Wrote: "Evolutionarily conditioned to view as beautiful" - that really stands out me. It sounds a lot like what you're saying (and please tell me if I'm wrong) has an element of design, or at least manipulation that caters to our sense of beauty. Do you consider yourself to be an atheist?
What we see is not what is "real" all that we see is a construct by our brain trying to make sense of the information it is getting and our brain has evolved to find some of those illusions pleasant for various evolutionary reasons. No design required or indeed possible.
If "design" was a factor there would not be the millions of sperm one only would be needed and it would be taken to the egg by the "designer".
(November 28, 2017 at 11:45 pm)speedyj1992 Wrote: And regarding the perception of beauty not logically leading to the conclusion of God - that's going to get a lot of potentially different answers depending on who you ask. My take is simply that the universe is too beautiful to have been formed completely by itself, even given the premise of billions of years for things to randomly happen. To elaborate on my logic here, I think of it as being impossible to form something beautiful completely by accident from nothing, and an impossible event is impossible no matter how many times you try it (i.e. you will not be able to lift a car completely on your own, no machinery or anything, no matter how many times you try it because your muscles just aren't strong enough).
To try to convince someone of something it is said that you should latch onto some part of what they said that is correct and then say something along the lines of "well that is true but have you thought that perhaps this explains whatever the point is, better than what you said".
But in order for that approach to work he other party has to say something that has some truth to it, even a tiny bit of merit.
So I beg of you. Say something that is close to being possible of being true.
Coz at the moment you are giving me nothing to work with.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.
