RE: Arguments Against Creator God
December 2, 2017 at 9:01 pm
(This post was last modified: December 2, 2017 at 9:13 pm by GrandizerII.)
(December 2, 2017 at 1:05 am)Starhunter Wrote:(December 1, 2017 at 10:53 pm)Grandizer Wrote: No, please don't. Thank you in advance.
That's alright, I'll remain silent.
You're free to keep posting. If I see anything in your post worth responding to, I will still respond.
(December 2, 2017 at 6:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(December 1, 2017 at 11:12 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I'm sorry, but I don't know how better to explain what I mean by the Cosmos. The Cosmos is everything in existence, excluding God. Yes, people have varying definitions of this and that, but I'm trying to help you out here by giving you one definition that I adhere to. No, you're not the whole Cosmos. You are a part of it. Using some basic mathematics set terminology, the Cosmos is the set, and we are the various elements of it.
About this local universe that you and I are observing: actually, it's not necessarily true what you're saying. With the Big Bang, the expansion of the universe was started, but the theory doesn't actually state/imply that this universe had a beginning to its existence.
Well clearly I haven't always been here. So which part of the cosmos do you believe has always been here?
Under eternalism, actually, you have. If eternalism is true, every time-instance of you is eternal because every moment in time is eternal. But that said, you have no obligation to adhere to the exact same position I do. A lot of it is speculation, after all, but the key point here is that there is logical validity to it (AFAIK), and that there are certain versions of God that just aren't logically possible.
(December 1, 2017 at 11:27 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If there were a god, "cosmos" would include that as well. Dryly, it already does...just not as believers imagine it to.
That's true. I only separate God from the Cosmos for the sake of going along with the typical theist's notion of a God that is separate from everything else in existence, and to show how logically problematic it is to separate God from time and space and all that.
(December 1, 2017 at 11:27 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Apologies CL; I see you and Grand are already into this, lol.
No, by all means, continue to have an exchange with CL, if you want. Better you than me, lol.
