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The Right of Revolution
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RE: The Right of Revolution
(August 19, 2011 at 9:41 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:but primarily because they were entrenched in antiquated battle techniques.

Baron Von Steuben....who apparently was not a baron but may at least have been a Prussian soldier....busted his butt teaching Washington's army those "antiquated" battle techniques.

The notion that Americans hid behind trees and shot at the British from cover is largely a myth. It happened on the retreat from Lexington/Concord and again at Kings Mountain...although that was Rebels against Tories under British command.

Otherwise, it was not until we mastered proper drill that we were able to stand up to the British. The Battle of Monmouth being the eye-opener for the Brits.

You're right, as I understand Baron was an honorary title given to Von Steuben and he is definitely credited with turning the patriots into a true colonial army and a big contributor in turning the tide of the war. The amount of ambush attacks by americans has always been debatable by revolutionists historians, but one things for sure, something that my professor of American History pointed out to me years ago, you don't beat an army that outnumbers you ten to one by being completely incompetent and counting on a foreign country to beat them for you. (... and you certainly don't beat them with pitchforks).

It might also be worthy to note: As I recall, Von Steuben was discharged from the Prussian army and found his way to Ben Franklin through French connections. He was actually considered a successful military leader while with the Prussian army and it leads one to wonder why he was discharged. I theorize that it was very possible that he was objecting to those old antiquated battle techniques and developing better tactics, thus the powers that be disapproved of his "untested theories" (or even perhaps pure envy got him fired). Regardless, it gives credence to the fact that he taught the colonial army those military tactics I aforementioned ... some of which are still employed today.

Let me see if I can find a link for better info.

I'm only pointing out that taking all credit from the colonial army is at the very least, inaccurate. They had weapons, they had a teacher, even if it's true that they sucked giant ass, which is only true in the start of the war - Rhythm still does have a valid point.
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The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 10:31 am
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Violet - August 19, 2011 at 1:13 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Minimalist - August 19, 2011 at 1:34 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 1:36 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Violet - August 19, 2011 at 1:39 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Minimalist - August 19, 2011 at 1:43 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 1:44 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Violet - August 19, 2011 at 1:50 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 2:01 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Violet - August 19, 2011 at 2:08 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Anomalocaris - August 19, 2011 at 3:29 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Minimalist - August 19, 2011 at 2:09 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Violet - August 19, 2011 at 2:11 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by thesummerqueen - August 19, 2011 at 2:12 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Violet - August 19, 2011 at 2:19 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 2:13 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by MilesTailsPrower - August 19, 2011 at 8:23 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Faith No More - August 19, 2011 at 2:14 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Jaysyn - August 19, 2011 at 2:40 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 2:15 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Violet - August 19, 2011 at 2:21 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Faith No More - August 19, 2011 at 2:20 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by thesummerqueen - August 19, 2011 at 2:22 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Violet - August 19, 2011 at 2:31 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 2:23 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Violet - August 19, 2011 at 2:40 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Jaysyn - August 19, 2011 at 2:52 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Violet - August 19, 2011 at 2:58 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Jaysyn - August 19, 2011 at 3:07 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Minimalist - August 19, 2011 at 2:31 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by thesummerqueen - August 19, 2011 at 2:34 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Violet - August 19, 2011 at 2:46 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Faith No More - August 19, 2011 at 2:36 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 2:40 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Minimalist - August 19, 2011 at 2:51 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Violet - August 19, 2011 at 3:31 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 4:23 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Anomalocaris - August 19, 2011 at 5:20 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by paintpooper - August 19, 2011 at 4:48 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Minimalist - August 19, 2011 at 4:55 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by paintpooper - August 19, 2011 at 5:13 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 5:01 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 5:24 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Anomalocaris - August 19, 2011 at 5:50 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Minimalist - August 19, 2011 at 5:51 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 5:57 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Anomalocaris - August 19, 2011 at 6:30 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 6:32 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Anomalocaris - August 19, 2011 at 6:54 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Minimalist - August 19, 2011 at 7:01 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 7:01 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Anomalocaris - August 19, 2011 at 7:25 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Cinjin - August 19, 2011 at 9:08 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 7:37 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Anomalocaris - August 19, 2011 at 7:44 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 7:47 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Minimalist - August 19, 2011 at 8:53 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 9:03 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Minimalist - August 19, 2011 at 9:41 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Cinjin - August 20, 2011 at 1:05 am
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Minimalist - August 20, 2011 at 2:48 am
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Cinjin - August 20, 2011 at 3:13 am
RE: The Right of Revolution - by padraic - August 20, 2011 at 2:10 am
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Cinjin - August 20, 2011 at 2:19 am
RE: The Right of Revolution - by The Grand Nudger - August 20, 2011 at 2:21 am
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Minimalist - August 20, 2011 at 12:26 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by padraic - August 20, 2011 at 8:27 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by downbeatplumb - August 21, 2011 at 2:04 pm
RE: The Right of Revolution - by Minimalist - August 21, 2011 at 3:14 pm

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