Men's Rights Movement

[Thumpalumpacus]

There's a reason why the terms de jure and de facto were imported into our language, and that's because the existence of the two separate states of affairs is obvious in most cases -- especially in our own society. It's the same reason the 1964 CRA didn't eliminate racism (which is simply the belief in inequality) even though it made all Americans legally equal.

The two are linked though. Equality under the law doesn't usually come about unless society's views are changing, and at the same time, societal views can be changed by new laws. Gay Marriage is a good example of this.

Being linked and being the same thing are two different things. No one said the one doesn't affect the other. The goalposts are moving here, after the kick is in the air.

I'm pointing out that they cannot reasonably be argued to be the same thing, which is what you wrote originally.

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I've never seen Tib lose his cool, and while I don't always agree with him, his points are always well thought out and objective.

To be fair, he kinda blew a gasket earlier in this thread, to judge from his unusual use of intemperate language.

Calling him an alt right sympathizer and saying things like "someone like you" just makes me roll my eyes and feel tempted to disregard whatever else is being said.

I once wore a signature under my posts from Frank Herbert which seems apt here: Those who see only what they wish are doomed to rot in the stink of their own perceptions.

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Oh, and just in time to reinforce that point:

I don't take seriously pretty much anyone living in a Western liberal democracy who cries about being oppressed.

You have the luxury of not suffering it. Of course you need not recognize it.

Are entire groups of people seriously being oppressed by our society? How so?

Are you so naive you think the society is "post-racial"? You do realize that gays are still forced to level lawsuits in order to ensure that that vaunted legal equality you and Tibs seem to hang your hats on is enforced in reality?

Hey, words matter, words are important, but what's really important is reality. And the reality is that there are major differences in the way people are treated in this country on the basis of their ethnicity, race, religion, and sexuality. And those differences result in "prolonged unjust treatment", which is one of the denotations of "oppression".

You can see what you want, and ignore what you want ... whatever. But when you can't see the elephant in the room, that impugns your ... er ... credibility.