RE: Cucumber Dildo
August 23, 2011 at 10:51 am
(This post was last modified: August 23, 2011 at 10:57 am by thesummerqueen.)
Just for the record, Skeptic, as I meant to tell you in chat last night before my alcohol induced ADD set in -
A long-time, deep friend of mine is probably going to turn vegan, as his sister has already, purely for health reasons. Both of them are overweight (though his sister has since lost a lot) and diabetes (I keep wanting to say "Dia-beet-us!" like Wilford Brimley) runs heavily in their family. Natala ended up in the hospital and almost lost a foot for not taking care of herself. She immediately switched to a vegan diet and her health is wonderful. She's an outspoken advocate of a vegan lifestyle for those who need to make diet changes for their various illnesses.
It's hard on both of them. They grew up in a NY Italian household. Roman cooks like a dream. But, what can you do?
If you want to be a vegan because of health, that's great. Some people seem to do extraordinarily well on it. I'd even partially agree with you if it were the stance that beef production is harmful to the environment/out of hand. Where I disagree, and where obviously most others do and would like to argue about, is the subjective idea of morality based on things we can't quantify in other animals.
Now, you can beat my ass all to hell for what I'm about to say next, and I'll even get on chat for you to do it, but I just want to say that I agree about you needing to not take things so personally - I've noticed you seem to have a limited or no sense of when someone is being facetious/sarcastic. Void wasn't equating you with someone who would watch child pornography for your choices. He was asking where the line is drawn when harm is committed and people use the product of that harm. What's the distinction? Penn & Teller's show wasn't meant to be purely documentary - they have said from the onset that their show is biased, but fair. Thus far, if I've taken the time to check up on them, they've been accurate. They're also not above correcting themselves if people point out where they're wrong. Your complaint about them making *joking* commentary about people's weight has no bearing on the factual basis of their show. They cannot legally call people liars, but they can ridicule them and hurl various insults. Also, no one goes on a show without signing a waiver, and I do believe their policy is to let people see other episodes. They know what they're getting into. They just think their arguments are air-tight.
No offense, but many vegans or organics-movement people think the same thing, and it's because there's not a whole lot of science behind what they do. It's very much ideology driven. And like anyone with an ideology, we're ready to pick it apart either out of curiosity or because we don't agree with it. That "picking apart" has nothing to do with you personally - you just happen to be the vegan who made your claims or assertions. You get the limelight this time.
Just to add to the Penn & Teller bit, they've said on the show that a common phrase they tout is "Everybody got a gris-gris." Different staff members to the show have begged off doing various episodes because they have a vested interest in the subject in particular and want no part in ridiculing it, and they've been allowed to do so.
No one here is going to condemn you for holding onto veganism if that happens to be your gris-gris. Hell, we allow theists on here, yeah? That's about the biggest gris-gris you can have.
A long-time, deep friend of mine is probably going to turn vegan, as his sister has already, purely for health reasons. Both of them are overweight (though his sister has since lost a lot) and diabetes (I keep wanting to say "Dia-beet-us!" like Wilford Brimley) runs heavily in their family. Natala ended up in the hospital and almost lost a foot for not taking care of herself. She immediately switched to a vegan diet and her health is wonderful. She's an outspoken advocate of a vegan lifestyle for those who need to make diet changes for their various illnesses.
It's hard on both of them. They grew up in a NY Italian household. Roman cooks like a dream. But, what can you do?
If you want to be a vegan because of health, that's great. Some people seem to do extraordinarily well on it. I'd even partially agree with you if it were the stance that beef production is harmful to the environment/out of hand. Where I disagree, and where obviously most others do and would like to argue about, is the subjective idea of morality based on things we can't quantify in other animals.
Now, you can beat my ass all to hell for what I'm about to say next, and I'll even get on chat for you to do it, but I just want to say that I agree about you needing to not take things so personally - I've noticed you seem to have a limited or no sense of when someone is being facetious/sarcastic. Void wasn't equating you with someone who would watch child pornography for your choices. He was asking where the line is drawn when harm is committed and people use the product of that harm. What's the distinction? Penn & Teller's show wasn't meant to be purely documentary - they have said from the onset that their show is biased, but fair. Thus far, if I've taken the time to check up on them, they've been accurate. They're also not above correcting themselves if people point out where they're wrong. Your complaint about them making *joking* commentary about people's weight has no bearing on the factual basis of their show. They cannot legally call people liars, but they can ridicule them and hurl various insults. Also, no one goes on a show without signing a waiver, and I do believe their policy is to let people see other episodes. They know what they're getting into. They just think their arguments are air-tight.
No offense, but many vegans or organics-movement people think the same thing, and it's because there's not a whole lot of science behind what they do. It's very much ideology driven. And like anyone with an ideology, we're ready to pick it apart either out of curiosity or because we don't agree with it. That "picking apart" has nothing to do with you personally - you just happen to be the vegan who made your claims or assertions. You get the limelight this time.
Just to add to the Penn & Teller bit, they've said on the show that a common phrase they tout is "Everybody got a gris-gris." Different staff members to the show have begged off doing various episodes because they have a vested interest in the subject in particular and want no part in ridiculing it, and they've been allowed to do so.
No one here is going to condemn you for holding onto veganism if that happens to be your gris-gris. Hell, we allow theists on here, yeah? That's about the biggest gris-gris you can have.
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