RE: Why does science always upstage God?
January 4, 2018 at 4:14 pm
(This post was last modified: January 4, 2018 at 4:26 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Really? The fact that life currently -is- a series of chemical reactions doesn't strongly suggest to you that the explanation of life's origin lies in an explanation of those chemical reactions?
Regardless, mind you, of whether "goddidit" or they fell like tumblers in a biological lock?
I van;t help but ask what you think is being discussed here, and wonder whether or not you realize that the only alternative to abiogenesis on a fundamental level is the magical arrangement of every single molecule in living creature with no attendant identifiable physical process associated by a similarly magical and not in any way natural "creature" or result of any natural process. All other explanations, including "goddidits" not covered in that needlingly specific example....are examples of some form of abiogenesis.
If god used a natural process, any natural process, then this is an example of a natural process by which life can arise from non-life. If he used his magi to place the ingredients in contact with each other, it is the attendent process and not his fiddling around which explains life. If he fiddled around with the wrong ingredients the same reaction would not occur. It doesn't stop being what it is just because you think a god pulled a lever or pushed a button. There is a fact that, on this planet, life arose from a place in which there was and could not previously be any such life. There are hypothesis as to -what- that process might be, but no rational or factual disagreement on just what it is we're trying to explain.
The chemical route is the only known plausible route for the emergence of life because it is, currently, the only known way from which life still arises. Life -is- chemistry, as another poster so succinctly put it. Gods, otoh, are fairy stories we scare and/or amuse our children with.
Regardless, mind you, of whether "goddidit" or they fell like tumblers in a biological lock?
I van;t help but ask what you think is being discussed here, and wonder whether or not you realize that the only alternative to abiogenesis on a fundamental level is the magical arrangement of every single molecule in living creature with no attendant identifiable physical process associated by a similarly magical and not in any way natural "creature" or result of any natural process. All other explanations, including "goddidits" not covered in that needlingly specific example....are examples of some form of abiogenesis.
If god used a natural process, any natural process, then this is an example of a natural process by which life can arise from non-life. If he used his magi to place the ingredients in contact with each other, it is the attendent process and not his fiddling around which explains life. If he fiddled around with the wrong ingredients the same reaction would not occur. It doesn't stop being what it is just because you think a god pulled a lever or pushed a button. There is a fact that, on this planet, life arose from a place in which there was and could not previously be any such life. There are hypothesis as to -what- that process might be, but no rational or factual disagreement on just what it is we're trying to explain.
The chemical route is the only known plausible route for the emergence of life because it is, currently, the only known way from which life still arises. Life -is- chemistry, as another poster so succinctly put it. Gods, otoh, are fairy stories we scare and/or amuse our children with.
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