RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
January 13, 2018 at 5:52 pm
(This post was last modified: January 13, 2018 at 5:53 pm by Mystic.)
(December 10, 2017 at 9:58 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(December 10, 2017 at 8:18 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Going to premise 1. If premise 1 is true, than it's conclusion is proven.
That is "If moral facts exist, then morality is real".
That itself is a moral fact, if it were true, than it would be true that morality is true.
Since people agreed on 1 and you agreed on it, than there is no point of changing your mind. Go with what you initially know because everyone can in their rebellion against submitting to God deny every premise.
Other Atheists agreed 1 was logical as well but disagreed on premise 2.
But premise one contains a secret weapon, it is a moral fact itself!
Premise one is a fact about morality, not itself a moral fact, you dumbass.
And Wallym and I agreed if morality was not real, nothing would be known about it in reality, it would just be make up as you go thing.
So I am talking about moral facts from that perspective. Aside from that, right beliefs about morality are part of morality, even what it is, and in fact, I argue what morality is, what exactly it is, is the most important thing to recognize "who doesn't recognize the leader of their time, will die the death of ignorance" - our beloved Prophet and Master and Spiritual Doctor Mohammad. Recognizing it for what is and the connection to what and from what, is the most important thing.