(January 16, 2018 at 7:37 pm)Haipule Wrote:(January 16, 2018 at 6:52 pm)Brian37 Wrote: While I like the social stance of liberal states, it still amounts to workers in every state not having enough to make ends meet.Your an interesting person Brian37! Your sense of humor is outrageous, even for me! People survive here, in Hawai'i well because of Ohana which means family. It is not unusual to see a multi-addition house with 6 mail boxes.
The only way you fix that long term, is to raise wages, keep costs of living down and middle class and poor taxes down. The only bracket that needs to be taxed more are the billionaires first, multi millionaires. I still cannot shed a tear for some asshole like Trump who won't end up eating cat food if he gets taxed more.
You get taxed less in Red States, but you also make less, but even there costs are increasing at a faster pace than a worker can keep up with.
When you average out the gap in all states, it still falls relatively in the same range and it is still growing.
If one looks up the tax rate between 48 and 1980 it was far higher on the rich than it is now, and that high tax helped create the economic boom in that time.
But since Reagan, the GOP have managed to con people into thinking small increases and small tax breaks for the middle class and poor will produce long term gains. But those minor breaks get beaten and eaten by the vastly bigger corporate welfare and those big corporations STILL raise prices which eats up any crumbs they give workers. IT IS A SCAM and it always has been.
Silicon Valley in CA and Farfaix County in Northern Va where I grew up, are now TWO of the most expensive places to live outside say big cities like NYC or San Fran Even the well of in Silicon Valley see that, not just fast food workers, but even middle class teachers have it really hard and they bleed off workers whom move because of the cost.
Then what? You move to say rural Oklahoma where it is cheaper, but you also don't make as much?
Even where I live in rural NC better paying jobs can require you to drive further. One of my mom's former Nurses whom worked at the long term care travels an HOUR each way to work. Even the poorly paid aids there travel from a poor rural county for an hour too.
It's nuts. And even from what you are telling me, while Hawaii is a more liberal state, I couldn't live there on the jobs I had. I wouldn't even move there with what my mom left me because it would get eaten up quickly.
I don't see how anyone working retail or fast food there survives. But I can say that about NC too.
However, you cannot tax the rich because they have the means to leave. Boeing was always a big employer in Washington State. That is until they tried to tax them further. Then they moved to Chicago where they were given a tax break for just providing necessary jobs.
In California they tried to increase corporate taxes only to have the business and the jobs go next door to Nevada where there is no corporate tax. That was quite a boom for Nevada!
And if America wants to get rid of there rich, all they have to do is try and tax them unreasonably. There are places in the world BEGGING us to move there such as the Kingdom of Vanuatu. Does it really matter, in this computer-cell phone world were we choose to live?
I was amongst the richest on Maui and do you want to know what they brag about? How poor they are? Why? Taxes! Do you understand that I can pay a lawyer $10.000 dollars and that lawyer will structure me so I can qualify for Medicare?
You CANNOT fix the world, or this country, by overburdening rich people with taxes. They will just say FUCK YOU and leave! And they have the means to do so!
I don't find this funny at all. And no, who the hell is claiming I can fix the world? I do have a voice and if I can help make the country less lopsided I will use my voice.
No shit family lives together, that is fine, but not every body does.
"You cant tax the rich otherwise they will leave".
BULLSHIT, we have in our tax code history had far higher tax rates. This blackmail, nothing more. If you expect me to feel sorry for billionaires you are a fool. There is a huge difference between "can't" and "don't want to". The rich CAN afford higher taxes, that is fucking nonsense based on nothing but GREED.