Hmm interesting...
So no reasoning itself to believe in his existence....but there is a reason to believe in his existence ON FAITH (i.e: irrationally, without evidence (NE included) without reason).
What possible reason could there to be to believe in God's existence on faith? (i.e without evidence, without valid reasons to believe in his existence, just 'believing anyway' believing simply 'on faith', no evidence, no rationality).
I don't 'KNOW' (absolutely) that he doesn't either. What I don't understand is what are your reasons to believe ON FAITH? What reasons can you have for believing in God without any evidence (and therefore without reason to believe he exists) - it seems empty to me. What are your reasons to believe God actually exists without evidence? (i.e: reasons to believe in him ON "Faith"? (which just seems irrational to me)).
How can you believe in God's actual existence ON FAITH with Good reason, when believing in something on faith means there are no valid reasons to believe he exists? (because if there were valid reasons to believe he exists then that would count as evidence of SOME form and therefore wouldn't be faith).
IOW: What good reasons can there be to irrationally believe in God? (I.e: On Faith; to believe in God's actual existence without evidence (so therefore without valid reasons because that would count as evidence of SOME form)) - Doesn't make sense to me.
Well what valid reasons can you have for believing in God with faith? If believing in faith is invalid because it's without evidence and if the reasons for believing in faith were valid then they WOULD count as evidence?
WHAT valid reasons for believing with faith (IE: WITHOUT valid reasons???)?
How can you believe in God ON FAITH (without evidence) FOR valid reasons (which if valid WOULD count as evidence of SOME form)???
EvF
fr0dest0r Wrote:Erm.. yeah. There's a reason for faith in existence. But there can be no reasoning for his existence.
So no reasoning itself to believe in his existence....but there is a reason to believe in his existence ON FAITH (i.e: irrationally, without evidence (NE included) without reason).
What possible reason could there to be to believe in God's existence on faith? (i.e without evidence, without valid reasons to believe in his existence, just 'believing anyway' believing simply 'on faith', no evidence, no rationality).
Quote:Yes. Believe = through faith. I can have no reason to know he exists.
I don't 'KNOW' (absolutely) that he doesn't either. What I don't understand is what are your reasons to believe ON FAITH? What reasons can you have for believing in God without any evidence (and therefore without reason to believe he exists) - it seems empty to me. What are your reasons to believe God actually exists without evidence? (i.e: reasons to believe in him ON "Faith"? (which just seems irrational to me)).
Quote:I believe (have faith) that God exists with good reason.
How can you believe in God's actual existence ON FAITH with Good reason, when believing in something on faith means there are no valid reasons to believe he exists? (because if there were valid reasons to believe he exists then that would count as evidence of SOME form and therefore wouldn't be faith).
IOW: What good reasons can there be to irrationally believe in God? (I.e: On Faith; to believe in God's actual existence without evidence (so therefore without valid reasons because that would count as evidence of SOME form)) - Doesn't make sense to me.
Quote: I don't believe (have knowledge) of God's existence through reasoning.
Well what valid reasons can you have for believing in God with faith? If believing in faith is invalid because it's without evidence and if the reasons for believing in faith were valid then they WOULD count as evidence?
WHAT valid reasons for believing with faith (IE: WITHOUT valid reasons???)?
How can you believe in God ON FAITH (without evidence) FOR valid reasons (which if valid WOULD count as evidence of SOME form)???
EvF
