RE: Jesus vs Muhammad
January 24, 2018 at 1:49 am
(This post was last modified: January 24, 2018 at 1:51 am by orthodox-man.)
(January 24, 2018 at 1:43 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:(January 24, 2018 at 1:14 am)orthodox-man Wrote: I have read tons of NDEs. Dreams are usually strange, they don't always make sense, sometimes you can even tell it is a dream. NDEs are always so organized, clear, seeing dead relatives, having a life review, etc.
Just because the experience is clear and coherent, this does not enable it to support claims about the nature of the universe.
On a side note, perhaps Christians "see" Christ because they are inundated with iconography, which is forbidden among Muslims. Doesn't this seem as equally plausible an explanation as "one of the gods is real, the other isn't"....?
ok, then why do they dream about him?
https://islamqa.info/en/23367
https://qa.islam.com/s/31583/i_saw_proph...#gsc.tab=0
it says in the Hadith that this is possible. So if they can dream about him, why can't they hallucinate him in NDEs? If they want to dream about him, it proves he is very significant to them, so why don't they want to see him after death?
(January 24, 2018 at 1:37 am)Khemikal Wrote: Jesus as you believe in him is heresy to muslims. They believe he was a very significant prophet, not a god. So..that would be like christians dying and seeing Moses.
No, it doesn't give christianity an ounce of clout, either over islam or in the general. NDEs don;t advance the truth of a religion a single iota.
ok, then why do they dream about him?
https://islamqa.info/en/23367
https://qa.islam.com/s/31583/i_saw_proph...#gsc.tab=0
it says in the Hadith that this is possible. So if they can dream about him, why can't they hallucinate him in NDEs? If they want to dream about him, it proves he is very significant to them, so why don't they want to see him after death?
(January 24, 2018 at 1:47 am)Grandizer Wrote:(January 24, 2018 at 1:30 am)orthodox-man Wrote: I'm not sure exactly what they believe to see, but I see your point. It's just that they always talk about Muhammad, so I guess Christians assume he is to them what Jesus is to us. Most NDEs don't have a particular deity, but it's still strange that Christians will always mention seeing a long haired man named Jesus, who has his arms out, shows his wrists and scars,Muslims and Hindus don't commonly see figures prominent within their faiths. I just wonder, does this give Christianity more clout than Islam?
Bolded mine. Probably because of the common pictures of Jesus depicting him as such. And how come non-Christians mostly don't see in their NDEs what Christian believers like you should expect them to see?
Examine these Hindu NDEs:
https://www.near-death.com/religion/hinduism.html
Do you see eternal hell or Satan or Jesus or whatever in there?
No, but they don't see Krishna in Hindu NDEs either. I just think it's strange that these top deities in their faith can be dreamt about but not seen in NDEs. If NDEs are dreams, then they should see what they dream about too. The fact that they don't makes me think that NDEs might be something more than that.
