RE: Share your worldview?
February 6, 2018 at 6:44 pm
(This post was last modified: February 6, 2018 at 6:45 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 6, 2018 at 6:36 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: 1) My dialectical/Socratic approach to a theist's query about the afterlife. By challenging a supposed gnostic assertion with an agnostic one, I attempted to make the case that an investigation is in order. I don't think you fault me on this at all. But if you do, say so. I can defend this approach.Not at all, and theres no need for any defense of the approach, what's needed is the case for further investigation on the matter at hand. Otherwise, we haven;t shown agnosticism, we've manufactured it by not following through where there may already be a conclusion.
Quote:2) My inherent skepticism about all things. Yes, I have a philosopher's hat. Yes, I put it on sometimes. Yes, I question things that most take for granted. It's a hobby. It's a pastime. It's something I like to do on the forums-- as do you. So I know you don't fault me on that.OFC not, ion fact, I;m questioning something you seemed to have taken for granted. That there was room for agnosticism here, rationally.
Quote:3) My actual agnostic position on the afterlife. Here is where I think you find fault.I fault any logical inconsistency arising from floating claims of agnosticism.
Quote:Meh, I guess I can see where 100% certitude seems reasonable. As others have said (experientially speaking) death is probably no different than pre-birth. I hold this position to be the most plausible--you take it as certain. I in no way entertain fairytales by rejecting 100% certitude, however. But I do still have to admit a dark spot in my knowledge concerning this. To put it in perspective, I pretty much know my car is where I parked it last night. I didn't hear the alarm go off recently, so I have no reason to think somebody stole it. I have every reason to think that it is still parked in my driveway. If somebody were to call and invite me over, I wouldn't say "Wait a minute, let me check if my car is still in my driveway." I would simply assume it was still there.So then, let's call that knowledge. You know where your car is.
Quote:But if I were to ask myself, right now as I type this: "Can I say with 100% certainty that my car is still in the driveway?" I'd have to say no. It's not 100% until I look at it and see.-and that's where you begin to be a or irrational. You either knew before or you didn't. There's no such thing as 99% knowing. This is more math that you aren't going to be able to show me.
Quote:Same with the afterlife. How plausible is heaven/hell to me? About as plausible as the possibility that right now my car is hovering ten feet above the ground with two members of the DC universe fucking in the backseat.Is the process that leads you to whatever compels you to keep telling me about this rare non numerical probability the same process you use to determine whether or not your name is Vulcan and mine is Khem and whether or not there is an afterlife? Is the quality of evidence used in that process of equal or greater value? Because if it is, and you know the one...then you know the the other.
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