(February 7, 2018 at 12:54 pm)polymath257 Wrote:(February 7, 2018 at 1:06 am)Godscreated Wrote: I have accepted Christ and know He is real and no one could ever convince me other wise, I've experienced Him on a level that is undeniable. I have come to better understand atheist, that's why I have stayed so long. You may truly believe that God isn't real, but that doesn't mean He isn't. My experiences are personal but within those experiences God has proved to me that He is who He says He is leaving me nothing to do but accept His existence. I've yet to see any atheist bring forth any information to show God doesn't exist, I've seen multitudes of excuses and because of that I said that atheist pretend He doesn't exist. I can't pretend and wouldn't because I would be denying truth and that is an unacceptable thing to do, truth is a precious thing, this God has taught me in a awesome way.
GC
And I am speaking from what I believe to be the truth. I believe you have deluded yourself. The experiences you have had were NOT of God, but were, instead, a type of brain fart. After that, you get confirmation bias.
Your belief has deluded you, I'm a very rational person who looks for truth. Brains do not fart so we can do away with this kinda' talk.
pm257 Wrote:I also will not deny the truth: that there is no evidence for a God. That, to me, is quite sufficient reason to not believe in a God. To deny that is perverse, in my view.
There is evidence when one looks for it, it's just that you do not look for it. God has also given me personal evidence about who He is. You can deny God through your blindness all you want it changes nothing.
pm257 Wrote:As for Jesus being your Lord: you are, in essence, deciding to be a child. You pawn your moral decisions off on another being. But even if that being is beneficent, your refusal of moral responsibility is not. The adoption of a Lord is, in and of itself, an immoral act. Yes, even if that creature is your creator.
Christ did say we must have the faith of a child to believe. After that we grow into a relationship with Him that becomes undeniable to those who watch, listen and respond to Him. I pawn nothing off on Jesus, He has shown me a better way through life and there are certain things that we have to adhere to for this life to be viable and productive. I have never refused to be responsible for my moral actions, it is essential as a Christian that one owns up to his/her moral actions and ask forgiveness. It is a necessary part of Christianity. It is the atheists who feel they have only to answer for the moral wrongs they decide are wrong and you all can't come to agreement on what is morally right or wrong, so you are either highly confused about reality or deflecting responsibility. You need to explain what I put in bold above, it's ridiculous at best.
pm257 Wrote:Think about it the other way around. Suppose humans manage to create artificial intelligences with their own 'free will'. Would you want these intelligences to *worship* us? I certainly HOPE not. To even *ask* for worship makes one unworthy of it. And to worship makes the worshiper unworthy of respect. It is *inherently* degrading to adopt a dictator, even if that dictator is your creator.
I just posted to another atheist how you all like the game of pretend, those who pretend usually have a mental problem or a child. SO, how does one program free will especially when many of your ilk don't even believe in free will. Besides how do you even create artificial intelligence, to create in the sense that God did is to do it from nothing. You do not have any idea what God did and did not create. God is worth of worship not because He asks for it, it is because of who He is, the righteous creator who is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent, who is the truth, the life, the way and eternal.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.