RE: Why, God? Why?!
February 8, 2018 at 5:12 pm
(This post was last modified: February 8, 2018 at 5:17 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(February 8, 2018 at 4:37 pm)alpha male Wrote:(February 8, 2018 at 3:30 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: This is my line of reasoning:
If god created people out of some yearning for fulfillment; some feeling of lacking something that would be rewarding, or add meaning to his existence, then he is not a fully whole and perfect being.
Here's an interesting verse:
Rev 13
8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast -- all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
From one perspective - that god exists outside the universe and can see all time at once - the above is true.
But, from Jesus' earthly ministry was fully in the universe. From that perspective, the prior verse on being perfected was true. As Christ's destiny was to be savior through suffering, he wasn't complete until he went through the suffering.
Fun stuff.
So, you don’t subscribe to the notion of the Trinity? Again, not being facetious, just clarifying.
(February 8, 2018 at 4:44 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(February 8, 2018 at 12:25 pm)SteveII Wrote: That is definitely not my belief. God does not experience all points in time simultaneously. Quite the contrary. Before the universe: timeless, since the moment of creation: temporal. Given that, there is no logical contradiction in God having a relationship with someone or experiencing desires.
SteveII, I have a problem with any suggestion that God is subject to change. Being fully actualized God's state is in complete satisfaction of His will. For God there can be no before state of unfulfilled desire.
That highlights an apparent problem to which I think Lady Camus points. Does the act of creation in some way complete God, implying a lack of self-sufficiency?
Yes, exactly this. I’m really not being facetious, or trying to set anybody up. But, I do notice some apparent inconsistencies when I try to imagine why a perfect god would create anything at all, and since I can’t recall a thread on it before, I thought I’d raise my questions and hear some answers.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.