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Did Muhammad exist?
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RE: Did Muhammad exist?
(February 12, 2018 at 4:21 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: There doesn't seem to be other historical data about Muhammad except in Quran and a sira, that is, one of the various traditional biographies of Muhammad, which also relies upon the Quran and collections of hadith (traditional sayings attributed to the prophet) as resources.
Muslims believe that the hadith were compiled by Muhammad's followers shortly after the prophet's death in 632 CE and these eyewitnesses completed the task within two decades. In reality, the evidence demonstrates this process actually began roughly a century after that time - and continued for generations.
Each of these hadith must come with an isnad (a chain of named authorities who vouchsafe its testimony) to authenticate its claims about the prophet. But let's face it: it was all too easy to forge either one as needed. One could simply invent names freely to create an isnad out of whole cloth; or even better, just tack on an existing one that had already won the approval of the ulama.
Indeed a Muslim that lived in those times when hadith were compiled, Shu'bah ibn Al-Hajjaj, declared that roughly two-thirds of them were fabrications - and modern researchers are even more skeptical.

So it looks like Muhammad's biography (just like that of Jesus) first emerges decades or more after the fact, grows more elaborate with time, spawns a tremendous number of forged teachings in his name; and none of the supposedly impeccable eyewitness sources vouching for him can be verified, let alone taken at face value.

The same can be said for Buddha. You ask different apologists from different parts of India and Asia and you'll get different stories as to what exact time period he lived in, where he lived and what he wrote.

(February 12, 2018 at 1:08 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yes he did

No he did not.

Nobody has magic super powers and nobody comes back from having all the blood drained out of their body. 

As I said in my prior post, someone or more likely a group of people started Christianity as a splinter sect of Hebrews otherwise Christianity would not exist. But there never was such a thing as a baby with super powers.

The letters that spell "Jesus" are never mentioned in the O.T. The name itself however, was quite common back then in that region. The NT books were written way after the alleged time of  the character. That says to me, that the character was manufactured to act as marketing to draw more into the new splinter sect. 

Now, I don't think you understand how difficult it is to type upside down here in Australia, so when you respond do know it takes me longer to respond since walking on the ceiling is not something I am used to. Big Grin
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Messages In This Thread
Did Muhammad exist? - by Fake Messiah - February 12, 2018 at 4:21 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Minimalist - February 12, 2018 at 12:52 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Catholic_Lady - February 12, 2018 at 1:08 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Minimalist - February 12, 2018 at 1:36 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by paulpablo - February 12, 2018 at 3:10 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Fake Messiah - February 12, 2018 at 3:42 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Brian37 - February 12, 2018 at 4:00 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 12, 2018 at 7:34 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by drfuzzy - February 12, 2018 at 7:42 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 12, 2018 at 8:22 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Amarok - February 12, 2018 at 8:58 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by brewer - February 12, 2018 at 9:12 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Amarok - February 12, 2018 at 9:16 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by brewer - February 12, 2018 at 9:22 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Amarok - February 12, 2018 at 9:26 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by brewer - February 12, 2018 at 9:27 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by vulcanlogician - February 12, 2018 at 9:45 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 13, 2018 at 7:11 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Minimalist - February 12, 2018 at 10:53 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - February 12, 2018 at 10:58 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by vulcanlogician - February 12, 2018 at 11:27 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - February 12, 2018 at 11:43 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by vulcanlogician - February 13, 2018 at 12:22 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2018 at 12:46 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Minimalist - February 13, 2018 at 1:14 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2018 at 1:39 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by vulcanlogician - February 13, 2018 at 1:56 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Minimalist - February 13, 2018 at 2:01 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2018 at 2:32 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by vulcanlogician - February 13, 2018 at 2:46 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2018 at 2:54 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by vulcanlogician - February 13, 2018 at 3:15 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Pat Mustard - February 14, 2018 at 2:56 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2018 at 3:31 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Minimalist - February 13, 2018 at 7:50 pm

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