(February 14, 2018 at 11:46 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:(February 14, 2018 at 11:18 am)SteveII Wrote: Come on. Those two have backed themselves into a logical mess. All they have done for 10 pages is assert they are right. Don't you find it at all puzzling that they can't produce as single person that can articulate their theory of an infinite block of time? In a very convoluted way, they are using abstract concepts that were never meant to describe the real world according to the people who use them.
I can't look up something on a theory that no one actually believes.
Steve, I don’t think anyone is asserting they know that space-time is infinite; only that it’s not a logical contradiction, which has been clearly demonstrated. And, while I’m not a physicist or a mathematician, the concept of a completed infinity in mathematics is easily accessible to anyone with a smartphone and/or access to the internet. I’m not sure what you’re still objecting to.
What I am objecting to is not the concept of infinity. I'm fine with that. What I am objecting to is NO ONE believes it applies to the real world, real objects, real series of events--because successive addition will never get you to it. A simple article would prove me wrong.
Even if you think it should (like Sean Carroll), there is no theory how to defeat the logic. You must accept it without explanation (brute fact). But that is not what Grand/Poly are suggesting. They think they are smarter than Sean Carroll and think it a settled question with the answer -- of course it works--no problem.
