(February 10, 2018 at 8:11 pm)Haipule Wrote:(February 5, 2018 at 2:19 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
I translate the bible according to it's own grammatical inflection. NOT according to stupid people whom went to seminary school to learn how to say, "Polly want a cracker"!
The 1 Timothy 2:12 reference has nothing, at all, to do with the assembly(church). First and second Timothy are letters written by the apostle Paul to a Pastor-Teacher named Timothy. In the context of the cited verse, Paul is giving instructions, to Timothy, how to teach men and women in general.
In the cited verse, Paul is instructing how to teach women. The verse clearly says in the Greek, to-teach to-women. To translate it as "Women should not teach" is way, way out of left field. Clearly the translators and clergy, and not the apostle Paul, are a bunch of sexist pricks!
The counter verse, 1 Corinthians 11:5, is even more ridiculous! In the context of that verse Paul is having fun(puns) and, he is walking on egg shells, so to speak, saying(in the Greek), "men should have an unright head, as opposed to down(not ashamedly), when they pray or/prophesy(to speak in public) or else he will dishonor his head who is Jesus(from the previous verse). And women, when they pray or/prophesy(speak in public) should speak with a mouth filter! Or, she will dishonor her head which is her husband according to the previous verse. Now, how that came to mean 'women wearing hats' or, 'forbidding long hair on men' is beyond me!
So. I help out my neighbor when I can. He was born in Thessaloniki, Greece in 1937, so he's at the point where he appreciates somebody to bring over food, help with a chore, go shopping or out for coffee, etc. He's still sharp as a tack, though, and great company. I love his accent. He graduated from the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, emigrated here, and taught Ancient and Modern Greek at a Major University until he retired about 10 years ago. He is a "Diakonos" at our area Greek Orthodox Church.
So I printed out the section above and showed it to him this morning. He said "Who is this person? Is he making jokes?" "unright" ("I think that was a typo, Papou, it should have been "upright") He pulled out his Greek Bible and read the passages. His response was "This guy should not be trying to teach Greek to anyone. He needs more classes and a good teacher. And he says nothing of history and context. Here, he does not even give the ancient vs modern and explain - he fails for sure. "Beyond me!" - pah! - Greek is beyond this seftis" I replied that I'm pretty sure that we think he's a poser, I just wanted to know if any of the assertions were valid. "Waste of time."
My guess is that you have had Greek scholars react that way before, because if you had any good translations and well-crafted arguments, you would have written them up and published them -- and you would have been quite the sensation. Instead, you're here, in an atheist forum, throwing childish insults at the people who don't take you seriously.
A native Greek speaker and Ancient Greek Professor/Bible Scholar was not impressed with your analysis of the text. Perhaps you should try again, with actual Greek word comparisons and historical references this time. Not that anyone here would really care about ANOTHER translation. It's all irrelevant, really, because the Bible is a bunch of bullshit in any language, Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Hawaiin Pidgin, Klingon . . .
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
