(March 8, 2018 at 4:12 pm)Succubus Wrote: Properties is mebbie a better term than 'laws' you can't place a six inch cube inside a four inch cube so If god is part of the universe then he can't possibly exercise more energy than the total amount of energy the universe contains.
Providing! God is part of the universe and as you agreed the universe is everything that exists, if God is outside of the universe then by definition he dose not exist. You can't have it both ways.
I didn't agree, although I did mention "all that is" as an understanding of the word "universe". I had said, I tended towards an understanding of the term "universe" in which scientist suggest it is 14 billion years old. That is the local universe that we see. Under the "all that is" definition, then it would be non-nonsensical to talk about something outside of that. However when you go to an "all that is" definition, you also have much more difficulty making the case, that you are trying to make, and stating very much about the universe.
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If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
