RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
September 1, 2011 at 8:50 am
(This post was last modified: September 1, 2011 at 9:10 am by The Grand Nudger.)
You asked a question before, and I realized that you had completely missed the concept I was trying to communicate. Probably my fault. You asked "who would make these observations if there were no such minds" or something to that effect. That's exactly the point. If a square is hidden in some deep recess of the universe where it has never been seen, it still has 4 sides. The number of sides to a square would always be 4, observed or unobserved. The conceptual abstraction (IE the word square, the number 4 etc) is dependent upon a mind, our own. Squares however existed before human beings were capable of describing them. "Logical absolutes" are simply descriptions of the way our universe appears to behave. There would be logical absolutes in any conceivable universe. That is, a square would be a square in a universe created by a toaster, by nothing, by a god, etc. Again, this is the reason that logical absolutes are an insufficient proof of any gods existence. It would probably be a better proof of gods existence if logical absolutes DID NOT exist. That would at least show that some omnipotent hand was at work in ways that were impossible to comprehend or explain. If a thing could be both itself and not itself, there would be no other word to describe this universe but miraculous.
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