RE: FTM (he's yummy)
March 19, 2018 at 12:12 pm
(This post was last modified: March 19, 2018 at 12:27 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(March 18, 2018 at 10:10 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I was responding to FFaith
FFair enough
(March 18, 2018 at 10:25 pm)FlyingNarwhal Wrote:(March 18, 2018 at 9:54 pm)Hammy Wrote: You didn't understand my post did you?
That's not what I said though.
I said someone who *is* attracted to a transperson *because* they think they're cis... who then discovers the person is in fact trans and suddenly acts all turned off and disgusted... is bigoted. Because they're lying to themselves. If they're attracted, they're attracted.
Glad someone understands. Makes me wanna keep talking.
I'm not talking about sexual organs. I'm talking about someone being sexually attracted to a person and then suddenly pretending they're no longer attracted once they discover that they were born different to how they are now.
Who the fuck is attracted to organs? Penises and vaginas that aren't attached to people is just playing with sex toys. Hereosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality and pansexuality is all about being attracted to PEOPLE.
It's not about whether someone was genetically born with a specific set of genitals. It's about whether you're attracted to a person or not. And if you are.... you are.
I agree. And I'm not saying that.
I'm talking about people who ARE initially attracted and then retroactively change their mind and pretend not to be due to a phobia once they discover irrelevant info.
I don't know man, I feel like you're breaking it down to only physical attraction. There's plenty of reasons to be no longer attracted to someone if you find something out about them personally. Personally I wouldn't want to date/have sex with someone that used to be a man, even if they're passing as a woman. It would kill the attraction for me on a mental level. I'm sure there are a lot of people that may be physically attracted to someone and lose that attraction when they find out the person is: unfunny, boring, used to be a criminal, etc.
I literally don't care what anyone else does or is attracted to. I'm just.not attracted to that.
You're an idiot.
I was specifically talking about the very opposite of physical attraction. I was saying that if you're attracted to a person and you then discover that they were born a different sex to they actually are, and then you PRETEND to no longer be attracted to them and lie to yourself due to a phobia, then you're a transphobic bigot in denial. That's what I'm saying. If you find someone attractive, then you find them attractive.
"EW I THOUGHT THEY WERE HOT BUT THEY 'USED TO BE A MAN' SO I CAN'T BELIEVE I FOUND THEM HOT THEY DISGUST ME NOW'" is something a transphobe says after pretending to no longer be attracted when they are. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
And yeah, no, a transwoman, for example, did NOT 'used to be a man' and statements like that once again testify to transphobia.
And the point is that finding out what biological sex someone was porn as perfectly is not 'finding out' something unattractive about someone, it's an irrelevant detail unless you're a bigot.
If someone looks physically attractive to you and you find their personallty attractive and you find them all feminine and they literally have ALL the qualities that get you really sexually excited, and then you react with "ew" once you discover they were born with a diferent set of genitals, then you're a fucking bigot fucking perioid.
It's not about not being attracted to transpeople that makes you a bigot. I'm attracted to at least 50% of ciswomen and yet only like 1% of transwomen.... but the point is that on the few occasions that I do I find a transwomen attractive and I couldn't even tell that they weren't cis... if I then discover they're not cis I'm not going to suddenly retroactively act all disgusted and say "Ew" and no longer become attracted because I'm not a fucking bigoted moron. I'm not going to start PRETENDING to no longer be attracted because I'm not fucking phobic of anything or anyone that I find attractive and I'm perfectly secure and in touch with WHATEVER turns me on.
If a cisman ever looked enough like a ciswoman to turn me on I wouldn't suddenly pretend I didn't find them attractive once I discovered they're a dude either.
So far though, that's never happened. I've never seen one dude who identifies as a dude and is born as a dude who looks feminine enough for me to find attractive. All men look like either sweaty meatbags or pretty boys to me... neither of which I find attractive lol. And it doesn't make me a bigot to be thus far 100% straight and find men to be as unattractive as fuck... but it WOULD make me a bigot if I was attracted to a guy but I lied to myself and pretended not to be due to a homophobia. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. I'm open to the possiblity of one day perhaps finding a guy attractive, and if I ever did I would embrace that side of myself. Supposedly everyone has a little bit of a gay side to them so I guess I haven't found mine yet. But IMO perhaps most people are at least a little bit bisexual but I think I'm one of those few people who really are 100% hetero. The point is I wouldn't lie to myself or act all phobic if I were to find a person attractive... whether they're trans, cis a man a woman genderfluid gender neutral or whatever. I wouldn't lie to myself, I wouldn't be phobic and I wouldn't pretend I wasn't attracted to someone when I was.
Yes there are many things that you can discover about a person that really is a relevant turn off, but being turned off for a bigot reason, or PRETENDING to be, for a bigoted reason... is not one of them.
